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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 3-4, 2003
Various | November 3, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/02/2003 11:25:14 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 4 - November 3-4, 2003)
Link back to thread 3 - (Nov. 1-2)

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Contained in thread 3"

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More questionable connections between The Jerger Co., the new doctor and the mistress, update on the prayer vigil, connections between Judge Demers and the new Guardian ad litum, Jay Wolfson, link to information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, comparison to Indiana case involving starving Down's Syndrome infants, PC93 launches Terri's life ribbon campaign, more information on Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, connection between George Felos and Mary Labyak of Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, update from the vigil, link to legal summary of the case, information on Mary Labyak, contact information for Florida law enforcement and courts, story of John Douglas, link to doctor's exam and nursing notes, update on Terri and upcoming talk shows, information in the mistress, story of Margaret Logan and the story of the first time Terri's feeding tube was removed.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

Thanks again to everyone for all your hard work.

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KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: sweetliberty
A relevant topic on this thread.

Recovering from a 'Persistent Vegetative State'

An excerpt:

That was particularly terrifying, to lie there with folks deciding when would be convenient for their schedules for me to die. I was aware, and I could hear, and I began to strategize for how to prove that I was there....

161 posted on 11/04/2003 8:20:34 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: sweetliberty
Done. More prayers today. Prayer of protection for Terri and her family, and for the freepers here who have done so much to fight this wrong.

This case is not just about one woman, which is bad enough, this is about what we will accept as a society. I am so thankful to all of you who continue to fight for Terri and this country.

I pray that we will all be safe from the infestation of evil and darkenss that has entered our daily fight, and battles to cause choas and confusion. I pray these forces don't win here, nor do they win "out there".

162 posted on 11/04/2003 8:21:33 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: TigersEye; All
I was finally able to find them here:
http://www.friendsofterri.org/ Look under guardian

163 posted on 11/04/2003 8:31:33 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("...then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak out for me.")
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To: wisconsinconservative
Super! Thank you very much!!
164 posted on 11/04/2003 8:37:44 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: sweetliberty
Thnak you for the ping ... I was busy during Dan's program so I missed his closing comments.

I just sent the following e-mail to Dan, with a cc to Neal Shapiro:

First, Dan, the name is pronounced 'she eye vo'.

Second, as to your closing questions ... "But you have to wonder, are her parents fighting so hard because they believe that she can recognize faces, etcetera, that she actually does understand, or is it that they just don't believe Schiavo about what Terri said; could a novel legal and constitutional fight have been precipitated by an old-fashioned feud between parents and a husband?" ... you generate your premises from a perhaps faulty assumption, that courts, because the judge and/or jury reviews a case, find honestly and accurately in an unbiased way upon the facts as presented. You certainly know that a poor judge can make findings that are flawed, that have been based on an arbitrary and very biased elimination of facts which another court or judge will find most relevant (such was the case with the first Greer ruling to execute Terri, for which another judge issued a stay in 2000). Occasionally, perhaps rarely, a series of court rulings flawed because of first-case biases, get issued in sequence, yet each ruling is flawed because of the original prejudices of the first judge or court.

Lastly, since Michael Schiavo has moved on with his life, siring two children with another woman, if Terri is in fact in a vegetative state never to regain consciousness, isn't it the humane thing to do to grant her care to her parents so that they may be with her in her declining years rather than be sequestered away by a man who has left her to pursue his life separate from her? Do the parents trust Michael Schiavo?... Would you trust someone who had been told by medical experts that his wife would benefit from a long-term rehabilitation program (and had seen incremental improvements in his wife's condition because of this therapy), yet upon receiving a $750,000 settlement for such a rehab program immediately forbids any further therapy for his wife, places a 'do not resuscitate' order on her medical chart, and refuses for her to even receive antibiotics for an infection?

Dan, you're young, but I know from watching you over nearly the past decade that you are not naive.

Regards,
XXXXXX XXXXXXXX, Johnson City, TN

165 posted on 11/04/2003 8:52:16 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: pollywog; mommy23
"In his order denying the motion, Greer writes that "the group's arguments are philosophical and perhaps should be directed to state lawmakers. "

I am sending this on to ACLJ and Anderson. I think this statement says a lot.

Glad you are sending this. It sure was a nice catch by mommy23.

166 posted on 11/04/2003 8:58:36 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: sweetliberty
I didn't notice the following thread linked to this one, sorry if it's a dupe link.

Terri's Law Support Contested

167 posted on 11/04/2003 9:17:46 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: TheSarce
Just sent an email--longer than I wanted it to be but I had too much to say. I don't get MSNBC so I hope you will comment on the viewer comments he reads. Thanks.
168 posted on 11/04/2003 9:19:02 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: TigersEye
Same information as this thread....but this one has a better flame war. LOL!

Husband in Right to Die Case Moves to Block Parents in New Trial

169 posted on 11/04/2003 9:22:59 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty; luv2lurkhere; Budge; floriduh voter; summer; Coleus; amom; ruoflaw; submarine; ...
According to Fr. Rob Johansen, the priest who recently spent a week at the vigil site, the following information has now been posted to his blog: THROWN BACK .

Terri's Parents To Go On Larry King

Bob & Mary Schindler will be appearing on the Larry King Live program this Friday night. The show airs at 9:00 PM EST.

The Schindlers were able to persuade Larry King to drop his demand that they give him an "Exclusive" interview, that would have prevented them from going on other similar shows.

It will be interesting to see how Larry treats them in comparison to how he handled Michael Schiavo last week.



New Guardian ad litem Appointed

The court has appointed a new guardian ad litem in Terri's case, a Mr. Wolfson. The Schindlers had opposed his appointment out of concern that he was carrying "baggage" that indicated he might be prejudiced in this case. Apparently Mr. Wolfson has made statements in opposition to "Terri's Law".

However, the Schindlers say that it is too soon to tell what he is going to do or recommend in her case. He has agreed to visit Terri accompanied by Mr. Schiavo, and another visit accompanied by the Schindlers.

170 posted on 11/04/2003 9:24:26 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: NYer
Bump!
171 posted on 11/04/2003 9:27:32 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: FR_addict; pollywog; mommy23
I agree with Fr_addict's opinion regarding the simple and direct observation he made...here is a first hand quote regarding what we all know judges often tell disgruntled or unsatisfied plaintiff'r or defendents, whateverthat being-

You don't like the law, so CHANGE it!

That is JUST what the Floridians did! Thru their reps and govenor!

God Bless this find...may it carry the simple and oh so democratic message within, found in the words used by a Judge who has consistently ignored one side of this case, all the way into the literal BATTLE to make Terri's law PERMANENT!

I sent this to a FReeper on the front lines who knows the Schindler family and to another person out there in the jungle that is Pinellas county who may be able to help this tiny but powerful bit of information find its target!

172 posted on 11/04/2003 9:33:33 AM PST by Republic
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To: FR_addict
It is important we get emails to Larry King, not only thanking him for having the Shiavo's on this Thurs...for the other side of this tragedy....but it is important to send him question suggestions and some facts, or information along the way...so important.

Larry.king.live3@turner.com

We need to flood his mailbox with questions that will help his staff help larry to get to the bottom line! This will help the Shiavo's get their story out...and help the truth find a home across America.

My thanks to every FReeper who takes the time to email Larry King-show airs this Thursday for the full hour.

173 posted on 11/04/2003 9:44:15 AM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
We think alike. I just sent an email thanking him before receiving your post

I didn't include any questions though. You're right we need to send some suggestions and questions to ask Terri's parents.



174 posted on 11/04/2003 10:06:18 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: TigersEye; wisconsinconservative; All
http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/guardian.pdf
this is a portion of the finding of Richard Pearse

http://catholiccitizens.org/content/img/f9306/ferrara%20doc.pdf
this is the legal brief filed by Chris Ferrara,,,,,also very good info

Judge Greer is out of it, IMO, how he can consistently rule for M is way beyond my understanding...I'm no lawyer but I'm no dummy either....
175 posted on 11/04/2003 10:11:14 AM PST by tutstar
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To: NYer
>>He [Wolfson] has agreed to visit Terri accompanied by Mr. Schiavo, and another visit accompanied by the Schindlers.

Well THATS a crying shame! Michael goes first, and leads
Wolfson around by the nose!

Michael will guarantee Terri is drugged up ahead of time
before BOTH visits so she appears catatonic.
176 posted on 11/04/2003 10:19:23 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FR_addict
Most Jesuit priests are INCREDIBLY liberal and that priest certainly fits the bill!
177 posted on 11/04/2003 10:27:45 AM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: FL_engineer

I hope he asks if Terri's been medicated.
If she has been drugged, this whole exam is a waste of time
and if MS can rig it, he probably will.
178 posted on 11/04/2003 10:43:14 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: MHGinTN
Good succinct logical letter! (only caveat: I believe the name is pronounced "SHY' voh")
179 posted on 11/04/2003 11:02:43 AM PST by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: pickyourpoison; NYer
>>I hope he asks if Terri's been medicated. Well most likely he WILL ask, but he wont VERIFY. He'll read the charts and ask, just like the two doctors that testified she was a hopeless tomato 'probably' also did.

But her charts, and Felos, and the crooked hospice, will probably overlook or lie about it. Michael's a nurse too, and would know just what to 'slip' her.

Let's not forget, at least a dozen people can testify that Terri CAN TALK! Her doctor at Bayfront Medical Center wrote this, and put a STAR NEXT TO IT on her records on page 2:

Vocalizing when prone in P.T. [physical therapy, she] Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.

Other care givers testify she can point to where she is hurting and say "PAI(n)". Or say small words like "Mommy", "Help me", etc.

180 posted on 11/04/2003 11:04:37 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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