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To: ancient_geezer
Your graph (post #6) 'proves' to me, a PhD scientist myself, that there is NO useful correlation beween atmospheric CO2 and global temperatures. In fact I suspect a multivariate correlation analysis would show that the correlation was negative.
18 posted on 10/27/2003 10:03:02 AM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

In fact I suspect a multivariate correlation analysis would show that the correlation was negative.

Actually there is a slightly postive correlation that is rooted in first principles. But, it is not anything near that used in the global warming hype.

From observed data:

0.27oC change in Earth's surface temperature for CO2 doubling is depicted in the following graphic:

 

Which appears to merely be a confirmation of what can determined from first principles:

Given:

The temperature of the Earth's surface with an atmosphere is           288oK (+15oC).
and the blackbody temperature of the Earth without atmosphere at  255oK (-18oC)

One may apply the Stefan-Boltzman relation:

E=sT4

where:

E = total amount of radiation emitted by an object per square meter (Watts m-2)
s is a constant called the Stefan-Boltzman constant = 5.67 x 10-8 Watts m-2 K-4
T is the temperature of the object in K

to determine the total GHG radiative forcing necessary to maintain the atmosphere/surface greenhouse temperature at the current 288oK surface temperature of the earth.

Under constant albedo conditions (CO2 does not contribute to earth's albedo) The total flux at the Earth's troposphere/surface system due to greenhouse factors is:

Flux (E288) at the Earth's surface with atmosphere               = 5.67*10-8(288oK)4 = 390.08 w/m2
Blackbody flux (E255) without atmosphere                          = 5.67*10-8(255oK)4 = 279.74 w/m2
==================================================================
                                                                                                            difference = 110.34 w/m2

The (natural + anthropogenic) CO2 contribution is 3.6% of atmospheric greenhouse warming. When expressed in terms of overall radiative forcing acting on both atmosphere and surface all radiative flux associated with CO2 must, of necessity, be:

0.036*110.34 w/m2 = 3.97 w/m2

However, CO2 IR flux at surface temperature from CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere is less than half that total CO2 contribution of 3.97w/m2 to the system, (at least half of the CO2 IR flux is radiated and/or scattered by clouds & dust upward to be lost to space and atmospheric heating rather than contributing towards surface warming.)

Re-cycling of Infra-Red Energy

According to Dr Hugh Ellsaesser's IPCC submission, "The direct increase in radiative heating of the lower atmosphere (tropopause level) due to doubling CO2 is 4 wm-2. At the surface it is 0.5 - 1.5 wm-2". Schlesinger & Mitchell (1985), estimated this surface flux at 2 wm-2. Thus, depending on the model, or modeler, the estimates for increased surface flux following a CO2 doubling, varies between +0.5 and +2 wm-2. An above-averaged figure of +1.5 wm-2 will be assumed here for purposes of analysis and comparison.

Doubling the atmospheric CO2 concentration can only add 1.5w/m2 at the surface for a total surface radiative forcing of

390.08+3.97 = 391.58w/m2

Giving us

(391.58/5.67*10-8)0.25-288oK = 0.277oK (C)increase in surface temperature for doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration.

 

A result well within any reasonable expectation of our rough graphic estimate of 0.27oC associated with CO2 doubling derived from the paleo CO2-temperature record in my prior replies.

20 posted on 10/27/2003 10:14:38 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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