[Norse]

Dubius...NO WAY!!! One of the greatest achievements!! Sure, because of the inferior method of obtaining leaders through succession, the Empire did some bad things - but all in all it was the vehicle of progress and prosperity for hundreds of years.

[Savage Beast]

Prosperity okay, but... Well--murderous tyrants, slavery, conquest--you name it. It wasn't without its benefits, as I say, but one of mankind's most dubious achievements? You bet.