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The Bizarre Motivation behind Michael Schiavo's Right-to-Die Lawyer George "Killer" Felos
Catholic Citizen.org ^ | 10.24.03

Posted on 10/24/2003 12:47:20 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Registered; Paul Atreides
Ping to 15 - can ya'll help with that image?
21 posted on 10/24/2003 1:37:44 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: CherylBower
"I am that I am. I am that I am." He thinks he's God. That explains a lot.

or maybe Popeye

22 posted on 10/24/2003 1:39:02 PM PDT by Lead
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To: Coleus
Evil - and a flake, on top of it all.

But then, I suspect that many flakes are more evil than they know, or at any rate, are being used by the Evil One. However, since they don't believe in evil, this fact escapes them.
23 posted on 10/24/2003 1:39:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Yes, and No. the "I am that I am" is not about being God, but the uberminch (superman/secularist). It was Nietzsche's nihilism and men of that ilk that have been labeled the anti-christ. Remember the "God is Dead" movement? He first said that. Interesting to note that God may have had the last laugh--pushed the little "smite" key on HIS computer. At length, Nietzsche died a raving lunatic. So much for the ubermensch/supermen.
24 posted on 10/24/2003 1:42:02 PM PDT by texaslil
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To: Coleus
This guy would frighten even Kevorkian!
25 posted on 10/24/2003 1:42:04 PM PDT by JustPiper (18 of 19 Hijackers had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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Robert S. Schindler Sr.
6075 Shore Blvd S - 402
Gulfport, FL 33707
727-302-9363




March 18, 2003




Ms. Pat Sargent - Administrator
Hospice Woodside
6770 102nd Ave. N
Pinellas Park, FL 33782

Dear Pat,

For the record, on December 13, 2002, we (Terri's family) became aware that Terri was suffering from a Virus/Flu like infection. Typically over the past three years, when Terri required a doctor's attention, we had to literally beg the Hospice nursing staff to have a doctor examine Terri.

This occasion was no different. We expressed our fear to the Hospice nursing staff that Terri would develop pneumonia unless she received a doctor's examination. As you know, our requests were ignored. Out of frustration, we placed phone calls to Dr. Gambone, which the Doctor ignored. Never-the-less, Dr. Gambone did phone in a medication order for Terri.

Although Terri seemed to be rebounding from the Virus/Flu infection, she began to cough, at times violently. We called Terri's persistent coughing to the attention of the nursing staff, however no remedy action steps were taken. The coughing continued throughout the month of January 2003. By February 8, 2003, Terri's coughing increased substantially, accompanied by a heavy mucus buildup. The mucus problem became so severe it required Terri to be regularly suctioned. A byproduct of the suctioning caused a throat irritation, which impeded Terri's swallowing capabilities.

Once again we pleaded with the hospice nursing staff that Terri receive the attention of a doctor. Once again our pleas were unheard. Since there were no indications that Dr. Gambone had visited or would visit Terri, we advised the nursing staff we would initiate a call to Dr. Gambone. Shortly after, the nursing staff advised us that Dr. Gambone called in and was ordering a vapor mist for Terri plus cough medicine. Although the medication offered some relief, Terri's coughing condition still lingered.

On Wednesday February 12, 2003, we visited with you and Ann Saint Marie(?) pleading once again to have Terri examined by a doctor. Later that day, we were told that Hospice's Doctor Moore saw Terri. We were also told, Dr. Moore recommended to continue the vapor mist and cough medicine treatment.

Since December 13, 2002. Terri has been suffering from the lingering effects of the Virus/Flu and it's associated ailments. For the past 3 months Terri has been coughing and audibly is congested, emitting raspy sounds of mucus accumulation.
The degree of coughing and mucus buildup varies. However, the effect of the prolonged cough and mucus accumulation is visually taking it's toll on Terri's physical condition.

As Terri's medical caretaker, we are bewildered how in good conscience, Hospice has not taken steps to remedy Terri's lingering medical condition. As of March 15, 2003 Terri still has a disturbing cough and she has not fully recovered from the Virus/Flu. Even an unskilled medical neophyte can conclude that unless Terri receives immediate Doctor supervised medical attention, she will develop a serious medical problem.

With this consequence in mind, on Monday March 17, 2003, Mary requested that you have Terri receive a chest x-ray, if only to determine that Terri may have contracted pneumonia. Later on Monday, you advised Mary that Michael Schiavo will not give his permission to have Terri tested to determine if she has or is developing pneumonia. Need I tell you, pneumonia is a life threatening medical problem.

In our meeting on February 12, 2003, I expressed our concern that Terri's lack of proper medical attention could and would lead to a fatal illness. I also indicated that while Terri was under Hospice's care, Hospice had a responsibility to have a doctor examine Terri and to treat Terri should she require medical assistance.

Your action of denying Terri a routine chest x-ray to determine if Terri may have contracted pneumonia, speaks volumes. It appears you are being instructed to make critical medical decisions based on instructions from a person who is medically unqualified.

I am confident we mutually share the same esteem for the medical profession and the ethics contained within such a highly regarded vocation. Therefore, Mary and I implore you to provide the routine medical care we are requesting for Terri.

Please place this letter in Terri's file. I am sending a copy of it to Dr. Gambone.

Sincerely,





Robert S. Schindler Sr.
(father of disabled, but not terminal: Terri Schiavo)



cc: Mary Labyak - President
Hospice of the Florida Suncoast
300 East Bay Drive
Largo, FL 33770

Dr. Victor Gambone
Clearwater, FL

26 posted on 10/24/2003 1:51:34 PM PDT by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: NYer
"TERRI SCHIAVO PING! – let me know if you want on/off this ping list"

Please add me.

27 posted on 10/24/2003 1:52:32 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: Xenalyte; isrul
So we can say goodbye to Christopher Reeve and Stephen Hawking, I guess.

Did you ever see the movie, Lorenzo's Oil? It's a true story!

Augusto and Michaela Odone (Nick Nolte and Susan Sarandon) are the adoring parents of a bright little boy who inexplicably develops alarming behavioral problems, after they return from working in the Comoro Islands. A series of investigations results in a diagnosis of adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD), but the boy rapidly deteriorates into a bed-ridden, inarticulate state. Frustrated by the medical profession's inability to help, Augusto and Michaela embark on an odyssey of salvation, studying lipid metabolism, promoting international conferences, and trying to disseminate their findings to other parents.

Their insights lead them to experiment with at least two effective therapies, one of which is erucic acid (Lorenzo's oil). Leaders of an ALD support group are cast as unquestioning followers of useless medical advice, who simply await the inevitable end of their children. The parents and the film have had an impact on research: the Odones are authors of scientific papers and the term "Lorenzo's Oil" can now be found in the medical literature.

Mercifully, there was no "husband" involved! The parents were able to seek and find a cure that has benefitted children all around the world. They never gave up!.

28 posted on 10/24/2003 1:54:55 PM PDT by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Xenalyte
Maybe because yoga has absolutely nothing to do with the occult

Yoga and occult powers

Sadhaka : What is the place of various occult or mystic powers in Yoga practice?

Swamiji : One of the most important things that you have to know about them is that they are by-products, all of which have to be passed by on way, since none of them is your destination. They are a sure sign that you are progressing. They serve as encouragement.


29 posted on 10/24/2003 2:14:01 PM PDT by syriacus (D. Bushnell (Schiavo's lawyer) Priest's visit to Terri would disturb medical procedures going on.)
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To: syriacus
It's possible to connect the two. It's also possible to practice yoga and do nothing Satanic.
30 posted on 10/24/2003 2:17:52 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: CherylBower
"I am that I am. I am that I am." He thinks he's God. That explains a lot.

Can we say delusions of grandieur???

31 posted on 10/24/2003 2:20:21 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: syriacus
Many Protestants believe in faith healing, prophecy,and speaking in tongues, all of which has clear Biblical support.
Many Catholics believe that saints have exhibited mystical powers such as healing, bilocation(being in two places at once), levitation, the "odor of sanctity", reading the minds of others, stigmata, exorcising demons, granting wishes of petitioners through supernatural means, and having their bones possess magical powers.
These are the same powers claimed by yogic adepts.
If yoga is full of the occult and mysticism, so is Christianity
32 posted on 10/24/2003 2:25:34 PM PDT by WackyKat
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To: Coleus; NYer; All
Do ya'll possibly have a running list of threads, articles, etc. that point to Michael Schiavos possible criminal guilt?

If so please post it for us.

Thanks
33 posted on 10/24/2003 2:43:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: NYer
Ping me please NYer :)
34 posted on 10/24/2003 2:46:03 PM PDT by Ready2go
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To: floriduh voter; Ragtime Cowgirl
please see #33
35 posted on 10/24/2003 2:55:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Ready2go
Done!
36 posted on 10/24/2003 2:57:14 PM PDT by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: cpforlife.org; MarMema; floriduh voter
cp, good question. I'd do a Freep "search" - keyword "Terri" - for the info. We posted accounts across so many threads, but each 'outrage' I think rated it's own thread as well.

FV, MM, pc, pinging to cp's #33. Is there a thread documenting potential M. Schiavo abuses?

Here are a few:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004242/posts
It is NOW Time for CRIMINAL PROSICUTION for Michael Schiavo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004340/posts
The Slow Death of Terri Schindler Schiavo They Could Never Imagine

Both found along with MANY Terri links on backhoe's Terri thread:
The war for Terri Schiavo's life- some links


37 posted on 10/24/2003 3:38:33 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("2 years: tyrannies defeated,nations rescued,millions of people liberated" Rummy,10/10-AP:"FAILURE!")
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HOSPICES BIG BUSINESS, THANKS TO MEDICARE EXPLOITATION OF SOME PATIENTS IS ALLEGED


Charles R. Babcock Washington Post Staff Writer  
June 14, 1998; Page A1

PHILADELPHIA -- Donna Nelis, a hospice sales agent for Vitas Healthcare Corp. of Miami, considers Dr. Raymond Urbanski one of her success stories. When Nelis first called on the young internist in the heavily Italian neighborhoods of South Philadelphia two years ago, Urbanski knew nothing about hospice services for the terminally ill. Now the doctor routinely refers most of his dying patients to Vitas Healthcare. Each new patient is typically worth about $100 a day in Medicare payments to Vitas, which has more than $200 million a year in sales and is the nation's largest chain of for-profit hospices. Each patient also means money for Nelis, one of nearly 100 Vitas agents earning commissions by recruiting the doomed.

The payment of such finder fees is an indicator of how hospice care, begun in the mid-1970s as a compassionate volunteer movement to comfort the dying, has evolved into a big, competitive industry. Declared a federal entitlement by Congress 15 years ago, hospice care now serves 450,000 patients, grosses $2.5 billion a year and is Medicare's fastest-growing benefit.

Easing death's sting is still the avowed ambition of hospice operators. But an aging U.S. population and the financial pressures of modern health care have brought the marketing tactics of corporate America into the cancer ward and cardiology unit.

"Things have changed so much in hospice since I started 10 1/2 years ago," said Geraldyne Habermehl, manager of Hospice of the Sunrise Shore in Alpena, Mich. "It was pure hospice then. Now it's dog-eat-dog, dirty, competitive fighting. It was a service thing before. Now it's a money deal."

The "money deal" -- which has resulted in a doubling of Medicare payments for hospice care in the past four years -- has lured increasing numbers of for-profit operations to a field that once was universally nonprofit. Now about 20 percent of hospices are for-profit. The transformation of hospice care has led to such tactics as paying a sales commission for each terminal patient recruited, which bothers even some of those hospice operators who do it.

"On the one hand, you want to be zealous in getting the message out. On the other hand, you don't want to be a salesman. It's unseemly to sell death," said Barry Smith, head of VistaCare, a Phoenix company that pays sales commissions.

Other recent developments in the hospice industry also have drawn increased attention from federal regulators, including evidence that some providers may be exploiting the terminally ill and taxpayers alike.

Recent allegations of abuse suggest a "kind of innocence lost" for hospice, said George F. Grob, a deputy inspector general at the Department of Health and Human Services. Now, Grob added, the industry is grappling with the fact that it has "grown from a voluntary, philanthropic program to one where business and other motives were coming into play."

To be eligible for hospice care under federal Medicare rules, a patient must be certified by a doctor as having six months or less to live if the terminal disease follows its normal course. In return for giving up further curative treatment, the patient receives pain medication and periodic visits by hospice nurses, home health aides and spiritual counselors. Most patients are treated in their homes, though increasing numbers are cared for in nursing homes.

For the terminally ill, hospice care provides a federally subsidized opportunity to die at home rather than in a hospital. For those who remain in nursing homes, the hospice provider is supposed to supply extra care in the final weeks and months of life.

As part of the new scrutiny of hospice providers, federal auditors reviewed more than 2,000 hospice patients who lived longer than the anticipated six months and concluded that nearly two-thirds -- including many at six Vitas locations -- were not terminally ill when they were enrolled. In one case, a patient died after four years and nine months of hospice care, a protracted stay that cost Medicare more than $160,000, according to the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services.

The same review criticized Vitas's practice -- since abandoned, according to company officials -- of paying commissions based on how long a patient remained in hospice care. "This marketing tactic encouraged the recruitment of long-term patients, many of whom our review found ineligible for hospice benefits," concluded the audit, published in November.

This spring, the inspector general issued a "special fraud alert," warning that some hospices are suspected of paying kickbacks to nursing homes in order "to influence the referral of patients." In October, a federal grand jury returned the first hospice fraud indictment by charging a Chicago man with bilking the federal government by collecting more than $10 million in Medicare reimbursements while providing less than $2 million in hospice services to patients. Joseph A. Kirschenbaum, who

Officials at the National Hospice Organization, the industry's main trade group, said such incidents are rare exceptions in a booming industry going through growing pains. They cited a recent HHS inspector general's assessment that the Medicare hospice benefit is "working as intended," notwithstanding some fraud and abuse concerns.

Individual hospice operators singled out by federal auditors also took issue with the criticism. For example, Hugh Westbrook, the Vitas chief executive and a founder of the hospice movement, disagreed that large numbers of his patients were not qualified for hospice benefits; more than $50 million in disputed federal payments to Vitas hangs in the balance. Westbrook said physicians who certify Vitas admissions are not paid commissions and ensure that only eligible, terminal patients are enrolled.

Hospice leaders contend that physicians should not be second-guessed if their prognoses of patient longevity prove erroneous.

The average length of stay for hospice patients has dropped slightly in recent years, according to federal statistics, leading hospice operators to complain that patients have not been able to take full advantage of their services.

"There are two stories here," said Mary Labyak, executive director of Hospice of the Florida Suncoast in St. Petersburg. "One is the miracle of hospice, how a group of volunteers set out 20 years ago to change how people die. . . . The other story is where is this all going? Are there really people taking advantage of what is the business of hospice? One's a miracle. One's a tragedy."

Other Ailments Join Cancer

Christine Kirkland is another example of how the hospice business has changed. The 70-year-old Vitas patient has a heart condition that hospitalized her six times last year before she signed up for hospice care in mid-December. In the early days of hospice, most patients had cancer. Now growing numbers have other maladies, which, experts say, often make life expectancy harder to forecast.

"I have my good days and my bad days," Kirkland told a visitor to her home in North Miami. She praised the Vitas home health aide, Dorothy Campbell, who comes to help draw her bath, and the nurse who helps ensure she has no "hard pain."

Kirkland is among 4,500 patients at Vitas facilities -- four times more than at any other hospice operator.

Twenty years ago Vitas founder Westbrook, whose total salary package now approaches $600,000 a year, had one patient. The former Methodist minister started a small hospice in Miami with a friend who was a nurse. Westbrook successfully lobbied the Florida legislature for passage of a law legalizing hospice care in the state.

But it was Congress's agreement to make hospice care a federal entitlement that really launched the national industry. Westbrook and others organized a grass-roots campaign in the early 1980s. The cause was helped, he recalled, by a federal study predicting that a hospice benefit would save $100 million in Medicare costs within three years by getting patients out of more expensive hospitals. The new entitlement, launched on a trial basis, was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan and took effect in late 1983.

Soon thereafter, Westbrook changed his nonprofit hospice to a profit-making business -- having realized, he said, that it "had to be large" to succeed.

The Medicare benefit for hospice was made permanent in 1986, and was added as a Medicaid option for impoverished nursing home residents the same year. Early on, hospices weren't reimbursed for services provided to patients who lived longer than seven months. Congress amended that in 1990, making the benefit open-ended and, according to federal auditors, triggering a sharp increase in the number of hospice patients who lived longer than six months.

The first signs of abuse in the industry were detected in the early 1990s in Puerto Rico, where auditors concluded that 70 percent of the hospice patients they investigated were not terminally ill. Even patients with routine arthritis were being signed up, according to HHS documents. In late 1995, HHS warned that some patients were being recruited for hospice care without being informed they had to forfeit other Medicare benefits, including payments for treatments such as chemotherapy. Other hospices reportedly were skimping on required services or were discharging patients who needed more extensive treatment than the hospice was willing to provide.

Audits of 12 large hospice operations -- half of them owned by Vitas -- followed, part of a federal anti-fraud initiative called Operation Restore Trust. Westbrook said he was offended that hospice care was singled out. "It implied a hunt for fraud," he said, "and I don't believe that really exists in hospice on any kind of scale that would warrant that view."

As Westbrook was building his hospice chain, he became a prominent Democratic donor and fund-raiser. In 1991-92, he raised more than $400,000 for the party from family members and business associates, according to news reports. In 1994, he played host to President Clinton at a fund-raiser in his Miami home. He has been an overnight guest at the White House. And in 1996, the president and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton held a White House dinner for him and the donors of a nonprofit voterregistration group that Westbrook chaired, which raised $3 million.

Westbrook tried to parlay his political contacts into help for the hospice industry, according to a White House memo obtained by The Washington Post. In December 1995, when the Senate considered trimming the growth of the Medicare reimbursement rate for hospice care, Westbrook called Harold Ickes, Clinton's deputy chief of staff then. Ickes then wrote a three-paragraph memo to health care aide Chris Jennings, noting that Westbrook "is very close to the president and this administration." Ickes underlined the word "very."

The rate increase was cut, although less severely than had been proposed in the Senate. Jennings said in an interview that he never took any action on Westbrook's behalf. Ickes did not return repeated phone calls. Westbrook said the call to Ickes was "in the ordinary course of business."

The HHS audit published in November mentioned a "large national chain," which company officials confirmed as Vitas, where 60 percent to 85 percent of long-term patient cases reviewed in various locations were ineligible for hospice benefits. The audit also noted that the chain paid $1 million a year in sales commissions and that several sales agents earned $80,000 to $100,000.

Westbrook and other Vitas officials said the company has ceased paying commissions based on patient longevity, although they declined to discuss how commissions are now calculated, on grounds that the information is proprietary.

Urbanski, the Philadelphia internist, said he was unaware that Nelis, the Vitas sales representative, earned commissions on patients he referred for hospice care. But, he added, "as long as family members call back saying they received good care, I'll keep using them." Small Operators at Risk

Darla Schueth views change in the hospice business from a somewhat different perspective than Westbrook, with his 4,500 patients a day and operations in nine states. As executive director of Hospice Care of D.C., Schueth is struggling to stay in business as her patient census has ebbed in recent years by more than half, to about 40. Even as hospice care grows in the United States, competition for patients and the federal money they bring in "is driving small hospices out of business," she said.

Likewise, Ken Nicholls and Pat Kelley of the Montgomery Hospice Society said they have seen their average patient load dwindle to about 50 a day. The Montgomery hospice, begun by volunteers in a church basement in 1981, is building an in-patient facility to complement at-home service. But competition continues to increase; the Maryland licensing board has approved four new hospices for Montgomery County, three of them for-profit.

Westbrook believes economies of scale are necessary to make hospice care viable. "You can't cover costs if you have under 75 to 80 patients a day," he said. "Most hospices are under 50. A lot of them are being subsidized by philanthropic dollars."

VistaCare's Smith agreed. The hospice field, he said, has been "largely filled with moms and pops, good hearted, wonderful people who {lack} the capital or information systems" needed -- and who are vulnerable to competition from bigger operations.

Andrew Parker of American Hospice Management said the for-profits will lead a necessary consolidation in the industry. A brochure from Parker's company states: "Hospice represents an excellent opportunity for providers in many areas of the country to enhance revenue, expand service profiles, and conserve resources." The key to making money in hospice is "volume, volume, volume," Parker said.

"The whole environment of health care has changed; dollars are being squeezed," said David English, president of Hospice of Northern Virginia, the largest in greater Washington, with more than 350 patients. "Each institution is trying to maximize its revenue, hold on to the patient a little bit longer."

That means competition among hospitals, physicians, nursing homes and hospices for the cash the desperately ill can bring in. In some complicated cases, including those requiring in-patient care, the federal hospice reimbursement rate is more than $400 a day.

For nonprofit hospices, the competition requires greater attention to marketing. "Vitas was kicking our butts" a few years ago, said Cheryl Bonnet, chief financial officer of San Diego Hospice. "They were smart, and we were resting on our laurels." Her hospice, she added, has worked hard to increase its "market share" of dying patients.

The hospice industry still faces substantial cultural barriers given the reluctance of many terminally ill patients, their families and their physicians to acknowledge the imminence of death by enrolling in hospice care. The extraordinary emotions that attend life's last passage also mean that hospices are subject to intense scrutiny of the care they give the dying.

Carole Alvarez of Grand Rapids, Mich., for example, said she felt anger and guilt upon learning, too late, that Hospice of Michigan -- the nation's largest nonprofit operator -- could have provided round-the-clock nursing service at home to her late husband, Jose, who had wanted to die there rather than in an institution. "I just broke down and started crying, asking why I didn't explore it more. I trusted them so much," Alvarez said in an interview.

Barbara Lewis, a spokeswoman for Hospice of Michigan, said the company erred in not making the service available. The HHS inspector general is investigating several complaints against the company, according to documents.

"I'd like to say I sit here thinking every minute about how to improve care to our patients," said English of the Hospice of Northern Virginia. "But the truth is I'm not. I have to manage to keep us viable," he added. "We have been able to run it like a business and still have the compassion. It's a tough balancing act."

Washington Post researcher Mary Lou White contributed to this report. A Growing Business

The National Hospice Organization estimates that about 450,000 people used hospice care in 1996 -- about 18 percent of the 2.5 million Americans who died that year. About 63 percent of Americans die in hospitals, according to research by Nicholas Christakis, a physician at the University of Chicago medical center. About 17 percent die in their homes, and about 20 percent die in nursing homes.

More information about hospices is available at the following Internet sites:

National Hospice Organization (1-800-658-8898): www.nho.org

Hospice Alliance, whose members include many hospices in the D.C., Maryland, and Virginia area: www.hospice-alliance.com

Health Care Financing Administration (1-800-638-6833): www.hcfa.gov/medicare/hosptc.htm  Inspector General: www.dhhs.gov/progorg/oig/  

SOURCE: National Hospice Organization, Department of Health and Human Services -- Health Care Financing Administration

Cutline: Home health aide Dorothy Campbell of Vitas Healthcare Corp., left, assists hospice patient Christine Kirkland in her North Miami home.

Home health aide Dorothy Campbell, right, helps Christine Kirkland in North Miami. Kirkland is one of about 4,500 hospice patients on Vitas Healthcare's rolls.

Raymond Urbanski, a South Philadelphia physician, refers terminally ill patients to Donna Nelis, a hospice sales agent for Vitas Healthcare Corp.


38 posted on 10/24/2003 3:39:11 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Coleus
A monster from hell . . . just look at that smile.
39 posted on 10/24/2003 3:42:57 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: WackyKat
Where do Yogis think they get their powers?
40 posted on 10/24/2003 3:52:24 PM PDT by syriacus (D. Bushnell (Schiavo's lawyer) Priest's visit to Terri would disturb medical procedures going on.)
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