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'I wish Eighty or Ninety Jews Would Die with each Bomb'
JewishComment.com ^ | Saturday 11th Oct 2003 | Editors

Posted on 10/21/2003 7:46:46 AM PDT by Jacob Kell

On Thursday evening we went to Marks & Spencer department store. On the way, the bus conductor wanted it known to the passengers that he was Moroccan. He went from seat to seat making a point of greeting passengers in Arabic, and animatedly chatting with women in traditional Muslim clothes.

He did make a point of grunting to those of us who were, shall we say, ‘traditional locals.’ We did not feel slighted but as we approached Oxford Street he went to the front of the bus and told those of us seated at that end of the vehicle that ‘Marks and Spencer sell things and then send the money to the Jewish.’ He then said what one assumes was a similar piece of useful information to a Muslim woman and both became rather agitated. The bus driver, a white-haired London Buses oldtimer of decades standing, leaned out of his cab and with considerable irritation lectured the conductor on the history of the Holocaust and of the ‘Jewish.’ As we were leaving the bus I could hear the driver and conductor arguing ; the latter reminding the Englishman that all Marks and Spencer money goes to the ‘Zionist murderers.’

We then found ourselves in Oxford Street and outside ‘M&S,’ as it is affectionately known, was a contingent of policemen and women who were protecting a small group of young Jewish men who had set up a table with an Israeli flag. The men were further protected by a substantial metal barrier, to separate them from what can only be described as an hysterical crowd of hate-filled people of every shape and size. What was so depressing was that non-Arabs in the noisy crowd outnumbered those from the Middle East.

(Let me explain the background : for years Palestinian groups have had a stall outside Marks & Spencer to protest the history of the Sieff family and to stop people from shopping at a store that stocks Israeli goods. The Palestinian young people are never attacked, and when Jews approach them the most that happens is a lively discussion. To a lesser extent its neighbour store, Selfridges, has had leafletters outside for years protesting the presence of Israeli wines on its shelves. One day last year I went into Selfridges and accosted the first couple I saw. They said they agreed with the Palestinian leafletters and thought no ‘Zionist apartheid’ goods should be sold anywhere in the UK. When I asked this otherwise charming English pair where they had learned the word ‘apartheid’ in relation to Israel they said they had read about it in The Independent and had seen ‘atrocities on the BBC.’)

Back to Thursday: I began to pick up snippets of shouts from this viscerally angry crowd. One woman in religious Muslim attire standing next to me -- actually jumping up and down -- screamed at the top of her voice to the Israel supporters, ‘You Jews destroyed my country, Iraq.’ Someone asked her what Israel had to do with Iraq and she screeched ‘You killed sixty of my family in Iraq.’ She was asked how sixty Iraqis were killed by Israelis and she said ‘Israel -USA! Same thing! And now you will take over Iran!’ She became so agitated that she had to be led away by the police.

Then came the chorus of really quite terrifyingly angry English people with their shouted mantras of ‘You people invented terrorism in Palestine.;’ ‘Israel is expanding every day and will soon own the whole Middle East!!’; (doh???) ; ‘Israel is slaughtering thousands of Palestinians every day.’ (Again, doh?)

But the crowning glory was an elegantly-dressed businessman next to me who seemed normal except for the fury in his eyes. He said, ‘I love and revere the suicide bombers. Every time I hear of a suicide bomb going off I wish it had been eighty or ninety Jews instead of a pitiful handful.’ He then went on to shout at everyone around him every time someone tried to speak, and had reached a point of hysteria -- ‘You people have been trying to acquire land across the entire globe and will soon own every nation if you are not stopped!’ -- when, thankfully, a policewoman came over. One can think of some poeple who, had they been armed, would be in prison tonight because his suggestion that not enough Jews are killed each time a bomb goes off ‘made one crazy’ as the saying goes, but we were pleased to see that the policewoman was making every effort to book him.

(Imagine how far he would have got had he said such things in New York or Washington about Americans!)

What does this tell us about British society? Pim Fortuyn was assassinated because he expressed what were considered to be extremist views about the rise of Islam across Europe and in his native Holland. We have no objection to ethnic diversity but we are sickened when we see British and Arab people united in such blood-curdling hatred of one very tiny minority. (Lest we forget Jews are now outnumbered ten to one by Muslims in the UK.) What alarms us is the profoundly visceral hatred shown by the crowd on Thursday towards a mild-looking group of young Jewish men and bystanders supporting them.

Does this mean, as Melanie Phillips has said so often in the British press this year, that Britain is no longer a place where Jews may live without fear? Yes, we think it does. Our liberal friends will say that the actions of the Sharon government are making life hell for Diaspora Jews. Well, here is the crucial point: when Yitzhak Rabin was making peace and Israel was booming -- and the Palestinian territories were beginning to flourish -- terror bombs were exploding as often as during the dark days and way back then, one's British hosts were saying the same unspeakable things about ’you people invented terrorism in Palestine' and 'hopefully in the next war Israel will be taight a lesson it won't forget...'

Sadly, we believe anti-Semitism is endemic in the world at large. We feel that our own spiritual home is the United States ( we have given up trying to explain to European Jews why we feel as free and proud as Jews in the USA as we do in Israel ), but were we as young as the men on the Israel stall on Thursday we would make aliyah. NOW.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemites; antisemitism; britain; europeanunion; islamists; israel; limeys; morocco; nato; nazis; neonazis; unitedkingdom; wahhabis; wahhbism; waronterror
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Euck Ruope.

Buck Fritain.

They're fools to let those bin Laden lovers in their country, such as al-Bakri, or Abu Hamza.

1 posted on 10/21/2003 7:46:48 AM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell
It won't be long until the bombings start in the west - once they begin (and I think they will begin in a big way) no one will be safe - Christian or Jew.

2 posted on 10/21/2003 7:51:03 AM PDT by Tank-FL (Keep the Faith - GO VMI Beat Richmond)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
3 posted on 10/21/2003 7:51:24 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Jacob Kell
Ah, the old Europe, so reminiscent of 1938....
4 posted on 10/21/2003 7:58:43 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
The rise in anti-semitism is directly linked to the infestation of Islamofascism in European countries. That, and the fact that the Eurotrash left is in complete hate mode since Bush became US Prez and Sharon the Israeli PM. All this does is reinforce the fact of the need for the state of Israel, and the need for the US to conduct it's global war on terror, until radical Islam is crushed and no more.
5 posted on 10/21/2003 8:06:49 AM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Jacob Kell
‘Israel is expanding every day and will soon own the whole Middle East!!’

Oh, if only!


6 posted on 10/21/2003 8:07:58 AM PDT by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: Catspaw
and that is why i haven't been to europe in 8 years. my husband and i began traveling with our daughter when she was 3 and each year (sometimes twice) we'd go to france or spain or italy, etc. we'd spend a few happy weeks each july in the south of france.

no more, and never again. the US is my country and it is here i am home.
7 posted on 10/21/2003 8:13:01 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: Jacob Kell; Lazamataz
What does "make aliyah" mean ?
8 posted on 10/21/2003 8:16:32 AM PDT by jokar (Beware the White European Male Christian theological complex !!)
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To: jokar
He means he'd move to Israel.
9 posted on 10/21/2003 8:24:00 AM PDT by absalom01
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To: veronica
The rise in anti-semitism is directly linked to the infestation of Islamofascism in European countries. That, and the fact that the Eurotrash left is in complete hate mode since Bush became US Prez and Sharon the Israeli PM. All this does is reinforce the fact of the need for the state of Israel, and the need for the US to conduct it's global war on terror, until radical Islam is crushed and no more.

Isn't it that one eyed, hooked-armed guy (Hamdi, I think) still being allowed to preach in London? They just block off the street.

And I can't see it getting better in Europe for years.

10 posted on 10/21/2003 8:27:01 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Jacob Kell
Well, that wasn't very Christian of them.
11 posted on 10/21/2003 8:28:23 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Tank-FL
It won't be long until the bombings start in the west - once they begin (and I think they will begin in a big way) no one will be safe - Christian or Jew.

I think you would be very surprised at the extent of retribution if this happened.

It might be enough to make the muslims go back to their home countries.

They have snively inferiority complexes and are mostly cowards.

12 posted on 10/21/2003 8:34:07 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Catspaw
Ah, the old Europe, so reminiscent of 1938....

Meet the New Europe, same as the Old Europe
(hopefully we won't get fooled again...into giving most of them the time of day)
13 posted on 10/21/2003 8:39:17 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Jacob Kell
I fail to understand how anyone can kill in the name of thier God. Makes no sense to me.
14 posted on 10/21/2003 8:42:46 AM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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To: Jacob Kell
I was in London earlier this year. Anytime the suicide bomber/palestinian issue was brought up in conversation (not by me) the English were VERY pro-palestinian and very anti-jewish. I only met ONE Londoner who said otherwise. I must also say this was not the case when I travelled to North England ..people seemed much more thoughtful and balanced in their views.

I have also noticed many of my Irish friends here in NY seem to be VERY pro-palestinian. Weird.

London and New York both have their share of liberal jew-haters. Sad.
15 posted on 10/21/2003 8:44:30 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: Catspaw
As for the hooked Hamza the Mamza, tic, tock...
17 posted on 10/21/2003 8:57:51 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Jacob Kell
God,this is frightening.

I must spend money at Marks and Spencer the next time I go to London and I've always loved Selfridge's,my favorite coat came from there.

What on earth is is going on in Europe? They have been overrun with Muslims but haven't the lessons of WWII taught them anything?
18 posted on 10/21/2003 9:32:34 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears
What on earth is is going on in Europe? They have been overrun with Muslims but haven't the lessons of WWII taught them anything?

You answered your own question.

19 posted on 10/21/2003 9:41:02 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Mears
What on earth is is going on in Europe? They have been overrun with Muslims but haven't the lessons of WWII taught them anything?

They learned that Hitler would have probably killed most of the Jews in Europe if the USA had not stepped in.
And just after WW II, the USA was a big pusher for the State of Israel, and is still a big supporter.
And presently in USA a Jew is seeking the presidential nomination. He ran last time as A vice presidential candidate. Our last Secretary of State was a jew.

And by the way the Jews haven't learned much from WWII either. How the Jews in Israel can be so factionalized about people who are murdering them almost on a daily basis is beyond me. Does any rational person think the Jews are going to be able to talk their way into a peaceful solution with religious fanatics. - Tom

20 posted on 10/21/2003 10:24:35 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (anything done in moderation shows a lack of interest -Capt. Tom circa 1948)
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