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Bible may be banned from city hospitals (Canada)-wants to be fair to all faiths
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Posted on 10/20/2003 6:57:47 PM PDT by chance33_98

Bible may be banned from city hospitals

Health region wants to be fair to all faiths

Robin Summerfield

Calgary Herald

Monday, October 20, 2003

Rev. Robert Greene

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Bibles in bedside tables may become contraband at hospitals under a proposal from the Calgary Health Region.

If the policy is approved, the Gideons International Bible, a bedside staple, will be removed from all hospital rooms in the city and all distribution and display of any printed religious materials in hospitals will be banned.

The policy, which is still under review and likely won't be decided for at least two months, has drawn both acceptance and criticism from religious leaders in Calgary.

For the CHR's part, an official says the policy is the best way to avoid any religious discrimination or even the appearance that the organization favours one religious group over another.

"There's no interest in restricting access. It's just that we want it to be non-discriminatory," said Toni MacDonald, the CHR's director of spiritual care. "There's not enough room in the drawers for all of the materials."

"The secularists are taking over," countered Anglican minister Robert Greene, assistant priest at St. John the Evangelist in Inglewood. "This is just one more step in the secularization of society -- to get rid of anything of spiritual content."

If passed in its present form, the policy calls for the removal of the Gideon Bible from patients' bedside tables.

It would also ban the posting and distribution of any printed spiritual or religious material, including the Bible, the Qur'an, the Book of Mormon and any other religious tomes.

"We thought we needed to do a more careful review of what our current practice is to ensure we are being considerate of all religious faiths," said MacDonald.

"The goal is to not appear that the health region is endorsing any one religion over another."

Religious material, however, would still be available upon request through pastoral services at each hospital.

"The idea is not acceptable to me," said Imam Mohammad Al-Nadvi, spiritual leader of Calgary's Muslim community.

It gives the impression, added Al-Nadvi, "that faith is maybe some negative thing, some harmful thing."

"The better option is to solve it, to get together and solve it, than to get rid of it altogether," he said.

Meanwhile, the head of Calgary's Jewish community said hospital patients won't be left out in the spiritual cold.

"I have no problem with it basically because a chaplain is always available when (patients) want them," said Rabbi Moshe Saks, who leads Calgary's 700-family-strong Beth Tzedec congregation. "There's plenty of access."

Spiritual and pastoral services at all hospitals will continue to offer

24-hour, on-call spiritual advisers of all faiths.

Saks said the issue of banning religion in Calgary hospitals is part of a bigger problem -- "zealous pastors" giving the "hard sell on religion" and people "afraid to talk about religion."

In an earlier draft form of the policy, the Calgary Health Region considered prohibiting the sale of religious material and artifacts in hospital gift stores.

A subsequent draft removed that provision and those items will continue to be for sale.

When asked for a copy of the new draft, MacDonald said it would be "inappropriate" to provide the document until after the issue was settled.

There is no guideline or policy relating to the display or distribution of religious materials at CHR sites.

Informally, however, religious material left in waiting rooms and other public areas by different faith groups is picked up and taken to the pastoral care office.

The new policy must have consensus by a community committee with representatives of all faiths, the directors of each hospital and a spiritual care committee.

MacDonald said the CHR does support spirituality, as shown by the eight employees who tend to spiritual issues.

rsummerfield@theherald.canwest.com


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bibles; canada; christianpersecutio; purge; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 10/20/2003 6:57:48 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
How sad. Be all things to all people then you become nothing. Christians need to pray for the lost in Canada.
2 posted on 10/20/2003 6:59:37 PM PDT by Zipporah
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To: chance33_98
Yep, that is the outcome of Socialized medicine. The exact same thing will happen here. Good to see Canada leading the way.
3 posted on 10/20/2003 7:01:42 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Zipporah
Pray for US!

If liberals have their way, the USA will be alot like Canada.
4 posted on 10/20/2003 7:02:58 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Hillary's book tour was a thermometer in the behinds of the Dim sheeple for a 2004 run.)
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To: chance33_98
I think all PC can be boiled down to fear of lawsuits.
5 posted on 10/20/2003 7:04:13 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Zipporah
I can see it now your building was just blown up by terrorists, after waking up in the hospital you reach for the Bible and instead you find a copy of the Koran
6 posted on 10/20/2003 7:04:19 PM PDT by since1868
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To: since1868
Finding a Koran next to your bed is much better than what the jackbooted government thugs who ration health care in Canada have planned ~ which is that NOTHING will be there.
7 posted on 10/20/2003 7:07:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: chance33_98; Argh; MHGinTN
So they DON'T want to show the proposed regulations UNTIL AFTER they (the anti-Christian, religious-hating seculars) have got the rule in place.

Of course, AFTER the rule is in place, it is impossible to change!
8 posted on 10/20/2003 7:10:00 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: chance33_98
We have two hospitals in Bellingham, WA, both Catholic and both filled with Canadians who are trying to avoid socialized health care. My sister-in-law in Vermont tells me it's the same there. I guess that its only the poorer Canadians who will be subjected to this new ruling.
9 posted on 10/20/2003 7:11:10 PM PDT by Eva
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To: chance33_98
they dont want to be "fair" to all faiths...
they want to rid their nation of Christ...
Carefull what you desire...read the bible and it will tell you
of nations whom the Holy Spirit gives up to reprobate minds
10 posted on 10/20/2003 7:33:06 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Always Right
"The exact same thing will happen here. Good to see Canada leading the way."

Sad and for sure, we will be following.

Of course, many people in crisis do not 'ask' for spiritual guidance, some would never ask at all; but many of those people have been willing to 'reach'. . .and find solace and comfort, close at hand. . .

11 posted on 10/20/2003 7:45:54 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Fitzcarraldo
"I think all PC can be boiled down to fear of lawsuits."

PC is a seeimingly innocuous attempt to 'protect' people from themselves. The reality is that is designed to change the way people think. . .and then the way the behave. . .and eventually people are afraid to even speak, 'what they think'.

PC, when successful promotes fear and acts as a control; and yes, people do fear being sued. But the threat of PC, and what should be our real fear of PC, is of course, much more sinister than a lawsuit.

12 posted on 10/20/2003 7:57:58 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I think all PC can be boiled down to fear of lawsuits.

Nah....all PC can be boiled down to a desire for thought control.

13 posted on 10/20/2003 8:13:58 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: chance33_98
Those who try to be fair to all in religions in the name of offending none end up being cruel to religion.
14 posted on 10/20/2003 8:16:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: chance33_98
In an earlier draft form of the policy, the Calgary Health Region considered prohibiting the sale of religious material and artifacts in hospital gift stores.

In their first draft, the CHR had considered drawing and quartering any individual or individuals avowing faith in the existence of God, but had deemed that some might consider that to be unconstitutional.

15 posted on 10/20/2003 9:19:52 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: chance33_98
How sad to see these falsely labeled leaders taking the Bible away from people who really need it. This is cruel beyond belief.
16 posted on 10/20/2003 10:05:13 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Typically sneaky tactics. I'm surprised there isn't more fuss, Calgary's pretty conservative.
18 posted on 10/21/2003 2:57:08 AM PDT by Argh
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To: Paul Atreides
Nah....all PC can be boiled down to a desire for thought control.

PC is thought control as perpetrated by lawyers.

19 posted on 10/21/2003 9:20:02 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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