To: kezekiel; narses
Creeds have shown themselves to be the constructs of men, and as such, suffer fallibility. Always men have tried to replace a believer's focus on something other than the Bible, always to their detriment, IMHO. As for me and my house, we believe what the Bible tells us, not necessarily what men have since made of it. Corrollary: "The Bible is subject to no man's interpretation."
A couple of mistake, showing these two Creeds' fallibility:
Nicene: eternally begotten of the Father
Jesus was begotten in the earthly sense. Nowhere does the Bible suggest Jesus was begotten in any eternal sense.
Apostles': the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth
John 1 makes clear that all things were made through Jesus, recognizing that Jesus' creation activity is in every sense equal to the Father's activity. As the Nicene Creed would say, "Through [Jesus] all things were made."
HF
8 posted on
10/18/2003 10:13:38 PM PDT by
holden
To: holden
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
and the Word became flesh
The Christian religion holds Jesus is God incarnate. God is eternal.
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
13 posted on
10/19/2003 2:22:58 AM PDT by
D-fendr
To: holden
Nowhere does the Bible suggest Jesus was begotten in any eternal sense. Earthly fatherhood in some way reflects heavenly Fatherhood. Therefore, it is logical to assume that Jesus was "begotten" of the Father in some logical sense, since God cannot change.
21 posted on
10/20/2003 8:51:14 AM PDT by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: holden
An important correction to your statement: The Nicene Creed states that the "Son of God" was "begotten, not made"--that is a reference to the eternal second person of the Trinity, the Son, whose differentiation from the Father is a matter of "begetting" and not "creating." When the "Son of God" entered human history, he "became flesh" and the human-divine reality was "Jesus of Nazareth." The "Son of God" is eternal, but "Jesus of Nazareth" began extra-uterine life at birth.
24 posted on
10/20/2003 11:45:42 AM PDT by
Remole
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