ZOT! All the President's votes?

The Independent UK ^ | 14 October 2003 | Andrew Gumbel

[althecat]

Hi,

I am a new poster to the Free Republic. And I am very interested in Free Republic members views on this article.

From what I understand this article - which appeared as a four page lift-out special investigation in the Independent Newspaper of London on Tuesday - led to an item on the subject being broadcast on Fox News yesterday evening.

This story is now clearly gaining traction.

By way of declaration of interest I am the editor of the Scoop.co.nz website in New Zealand and was involved in breaking this story. I also confess to being a regular poster over at DU (but I hope that my being a Kiwi - neutral territory presumably - might allow me the liberty of participating here too... I guess that will be up to the mods.)

Anyways... I will be checking into this thread and plan on participating in discussions of this issue over here if it is ok.

regards Al

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[stands2reason]

N.Z. troll alert...

[stands2reason]

Ping?

[althecat]

I prefer to see myself as a Hobbit.... but I can understand your feeling that way. In my defence this issue is not really a partisan one... everyone left or right needs their votes counted.

[MEG33]

Having read the Independent's biased reporting,I am on my guard.I know this,there has never been a perfect election,perfect polls and perfect voter interviews.

I recall in the late 40's the papers had Dewey wins on the front page(Truman won).I say to them.Clean your own house.

[Fledermaus]

I also confess to being a regular poster over at DU (but I hope that my being a Kiwi - neutral territory presumably - might allow me the liberty of participating here too... I guess that will be up to the mods.)

If you want the mods to allow your participation, then I think that's great. But can you admit the mods at DU not as tolerant? Can you admit the bashing over there of anyone that even smells of conservative gets trashed and you think it's awful?

I personally think if you are willing to come here and make your points with regard to those that disagree and you debate fairly without childish attacks and name calling, then you are welcome.

If you think the DU standards should be applied here (personal attacks, not debating the issue, Bush=Hitler posts, etc.) then you should just give up.

[MEG33]

Do you honestly think that the President is involved in having voting machines programmed for Republican votes.I have some foil for your head to keep out harmful rays!

[k2blader]

What's to discuss?

President Bush won the 2000 election several times already.

[Once-Ler]

This may be gaining traction in the UK but in America it is going nowhere.

The reason the polls in GA were off is they used faulty voter turnout information. They underestimated, as they often do, Republican turn out and underestimated 'rat apathy...especially the extremely anemic black turnout.

Just more goofy conspiracy theory for the 'rats who refuse to face reality. I can only pray the 'rats keep on drinking the Kool-Aid and deluding themselves. This particular conspiracy does not explain Republican gains in the rest of the nation in 2002. Nor does it explain Republican control in the US House and Senate in 2000, 1998, 1996, or 1994. It doesn't explain why Republicans have gained control of a majority of Governorships, state legislatures, and a majority of state legislators for the first time in since the Great Depression.

I only hope we have a long a run as the 'rats did.

[Broadside Joe]

"everyone left or right needs their votes counted."
Yes even the people in our military that help protect that right. Maybe someone could for once ask why that didn't happen in 2002? (hint: because 'some' people knew which way most of them would have voted)

[Fledermaus]

ROFL, don't you wish it was that easy? The Dems don't even want to force voters to prove who they are when voting by showing an ID in many states.

I'd love to have a basement full of geeky computer guys stealing elections from Dems instead of voting illegal aliens, voting in more than one precint (again, no ID required), and digging votes up in cemetaries (Democrats fight hard to stop states from removing dead people from the voting lists).

Yep, the Dems are worried. We've figured out how they steal elections and are countering them. Do you really think there were that many "hanging chads"? Do you know it's almost impossible NOT to poke a hole in perforated paper so thin, two ply toilet paper is thicker? The only way you can get "pregnant chads" is to put more than one ballot into the machine. Thus, Democrats claim they lost in 2000 because Gore only got 3 out of 5 votes every punch ballot voter cast using multiple ballots. That's how you find 95-105% percent "turnout" in several precints around the country.

[ambrose]

Funny, but I seem to recall that one of the electronic voting machine companies donated cash to Gray Davis' "no on recall" campaign. Another electronic voting machine company funded a study which the ACLU has used to challenge punch card voting.

If anyone has cause to be worried about fraud, it is the Republicans, given the Rats' long and sorry history of stealing elections.

That said, vote counting shouldn't be the cause of partisan finger pointing. I believe that if our elections are to have integrity, a blue ribbon commission should be created to determine the best, most accurate, and fairest methods to count votes. Each party would appoint its own representatives to the commission.

I personally favor old fashioned paper ballots, along with strictly enforced rules to prevent illegal aliens, felons, etc., from voting.

[Neanderthal]

It's great to see that the 'Pubbies are finally in the game. It's been discouraging to have to watch the 'Rats continually steal votes in election after election while the 'Pubbies were looking the other way.

[thedilg]

It seems the standard anymore is to tar and feather the conservative right with the sins that the liberal is committing. There has been much in the way of voter fraud in recent years. However, in every case it is the left that is committing the fraud.

Friend, believe the fact that if there would have been even a hint of voter fraud from the right the Dems would have been in court before the day was out.

Godspeed, The Dilg

[AFPhys]

welcome to FR... you'll find the tenor quite different than that at DUh. ... and you don't have to fear being banned just for the crime of having a different opinion than some of the others here. Simply have respect when writing.

As far as the article: all the voting methods have their own inherent problems, and I don't doubt that touchscreens do, too. The "election fraud" fears angle being played up here is just great press, and stokes up the Demodogs, for sure. There is no way any amount of fraud by manipulating the machines is close to the good, old-fashioned fraud the Demodogs have been perpetrating since the old Daley Chicago days - vote every dead person at least twice, etc. - which certainly adds several percent to every Demodog candidate in every large urban area in this country - and the fraud committed by the lamestream media's distortions and liberal bias.

[MEG33]

My alarms system is going nuts.New Zealander,The Independent,DU?.

I worry about voter fraud and not requiring ID.

I worry about dem ward healers busing people to polls after passing out cigarettes.I worry about any machine tampering,fraud or intimidation.

We have not been able to stop the Dems from doing this!!