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Ted Cruz has a big idea that just might unlock a Senate health care deal
Vox ^ | June 29, 2017 | Dylan Scott

Posted on 06/29/2017 9:50:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 06/29/2017 9:50:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is not fair at all that those who choose to live more healthy in their lifestyle must bear the brunt of costs for those who choose to smoke, drink, drug, and self-abuse themselves into chronic illness (and health care costs).

But what is most frustrating of all - not a single plan put forward has done a SINGLE thing to address the REASONS for the skyrocketing healthcare costs (with or without ObamaCare).


2 posted on 06/29/2017 9:56:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is there a Cliffs Notes versions for those of us working while reading FR?


3 posted on 06/29/2017 9:56:35 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012 ("Be quiet... you are #fakenews!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anything other than full repeal is unconstitutional.


4 posted on 06/29/2017 10:02:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Cruz, an anti-Obamacare firebrand..”

Cruz is not just anti-Obamacare, he is a constitutionalist. As such he is fully aware that any implementation of healthcare by the Federal Government is ILLEGAL!

Unless, healthcare is written into the constitution.

Cruz knows.. “The power of healthcare is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, and the power of healthcare is therefore reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” [10th amendment]

So, since the power of healthcare is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, it illegal if the feds just take the power.

The only way for the feds to take the power is to have healthcare specifically delegated to the United States by having the states pass an amendment. Just like alcohol. No amendment, no power!

No amendment, no power. Otherwise, the power has been taken by force, and it is tyranny!

PASS THE AMENDMENT!!


5 posted on 06/29/2017 10:02:55 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting this. However it’s so loaded with socialist perspective it’s almost incomprehensible to me, anyway. For starters, this is false — utter BS “It has been a vexing quest. Obamacare’s protections for people with preexisting conditions — the requirement that health plans cover every American regardless of health status and the prohibition on charging sick people more than healthy people — are overwhelmingly popular. “. BULLKRAP! We are acquainted with perhaps 300 liberals/ proto-commies and nary a one has said they like Obamacare. They realize it’s a very dysfunctional unworkable scheme and ESPECIALLY MOST PARTICULARLY the quoted provisions!!! Some leftists still want us taxpayers to pay for rheir medical care - but they want it to at least work. They don’t find Obamacare at all “popular” or to their liking. We need to hold congress’ feet to the fire to repeal Obamacare now. Let the states provide whatever free medical insurances they may wish. If socialized medicine is “popular” in a state, that state’s politicians will “provide” it there.


6 posted on 06/29/2017 10:04:56 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: TheBattman

Well, one thing they could do is to make those damn drug ads illegal. I only watch Fox News these days, but I swear that 75% of the ads are for some drug or another. Evidently the medical profession / drug companies won’t rest until EVERY American is hooked on one (or preferably more) drugs, and run to their Doctor for every imaginable test (so they can get hooked on MORE drugs).

It’s vile, and it’s GOT to be causing an up-tick in Doctor visits (and consequently insurance costs).


7 posted on 06/29/2017 10:06:25 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I actually thought this was always in the bill. Having to pay for abortions, maternity, pediatrics, drug rehab, sex changes, things I will never need now has prevented me and many others from being able to afford insurance. I’d be willing to pay for risks that pertain to me. I got flamed for saying this previously, but I am talking about buying an individual policy, not a group policy, which is what was confusing many.


8 posted on 06/29/2017 10:06:47 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If conservatives had it their way, they would probably repeal all of Obamacare’s insurance mandates: the preexisting conditions protections, the requirement that plans cover certain essential health benefits, the rules for how much of a person’s medical costs a plan must cover, etc
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Along with removing all of the federal agencies and offices and staff, as well as the federal record-keeping of all medical records.

Damn straight that’s what conservatives want.

The repeal of the (un)Affordable Care Act, lock stock and barrel like McConnell told us he would.


9 posted on 06/29/2017 10:07:04 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: TheBattman

That kind of action cannot be done with the reconciliation approach. It would require 60 votes in the Senate which aren’t there at this time.


10 posted on 06/29/2017 10:07:05 AM PDT by expat2
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To: TheBattman
It is not fair at all that those who choose to live more healthy in their lifestyle must bear the brunt of costs for those who choose to smoke, drink, drug, and self-abuse themselves into chronic illness (and health care costs).

Group coverage, including the older more private style, has that as an inherent feature. BTW, you left out male homosexual acts, which are more destructive medically and costly to treat than all those others put together.

The smokers are getting hit by most employer coverage, if tat makes you feel better. What they take in healthcare coverage (which is debatable, as a 90 year-old with alzheimers is just as expensive as a smoker who gets cancer at a younger age), the smoker gives some of it back by losing out on a decade of Social Security.
11 posted on 06/29/2017 10:08:03 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ForYourChildren

PASS THE AMENDMENT!!

I need to make this clear.

I AM NOT speaking about the amendment referred to in this article.

I AM referring to a Constitutional amendment. Just like with alcohol.


12 posted on 06/29/2017 10:08:11 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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It sounds to me like he is saying Anthem, Aetna, etc....will be allowed to sell non-Obamacare compliant insurance for any price and with any coverage that consumers desire AS LONG AS they also sell an Obamacare compliant plan in the state.

The idea is that the healthy will migrate to the “free market” plans and the sick will stay with the Obamacare plans.

The way I see it is that the problem with health care is that anti-competitive and non-free market forces have greatly increased the price of service. If you don’t address those issues you are only rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.

Either sick people are going to be able to pay for their own health care (just like hungry people pay for their own food and naked people pay for their own clothes) ....OR healthy people will be forced to pay for the health care of sick people. Those are the only two options as I see it. Currently healthy people are being forced to pay for it through higher premiums. It sounds like under Cruz’s plan they will be forced to pay for it through taxes.


13 posted on 06/29/2017 10:11:04 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting proposal. It pits government insurance directly against open market insurance - let the better plan win.

My idea is more simple. Revoke every single waiver issued by Obama and vigorously enforce Obamacare’s taxes. In other words, go full throttle Obamacare. Congress and all the others lose their waivers. Unions have to pay the Cadillac tax, restraunts in Pelosi’s district lose their waiver, and so on.

Let America feel the full harms of Obamacare. Then we can have a sane discussion about open markets and individual liberty.


14 posted on 06/29/2017 10:11:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Jim Robinson

90% of Fedzilla is unconstitutional.


15 posted on 06/29/2017 10:12:11 AM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

yup


16 posted on 06/29/2017 10:13:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Pravious

I don’t know, after hearing all the side effects it makes me not to ever want to take any drugs.


17 posted on 06/29/2017 10:13:07 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Pravious

Also, make all the 1-800-Lawyer ads illegal.

It;s to the point if a person farted, call us and well sue somebody and get you a check !!


18 posted on 06/29/2017 10:13:26 AM PDT by RightWingNut
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sick of the wimps on The Hill -— kill O-Care already !!!! just do it....


19 posted on 06/29/2017 10:14:21 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( I miss Reagan !)
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To: NorthMountain

When asked if Obamacare was constitutional Pelosi just laughed. Constitutional? Bwhahahaha!

Now our entire senate takes the same attitude. And the SCOTUS is sure to follow.


20 posted on 06/29/2017 10:16:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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