The GOP Is Finally Emerging From Trump Denialism: But is it too late?

The New Republic ^ | November 25, 2015 | Brian Beutler, senior editor

[kvanbrunt2]

thx that made sense

[dalereed]

It's good to see even that super liberal rag is just about thrown in the towel and are going to accept a Trump mendicancy!!!!!

[Balding_Eagle]

He should have been knocked out weeks ago by his brash mis-speaks.

There is a lot of talk about Trumps mis-speaks.

I've watched nearly every speech he's given, and a lot of interviews.

I'll readily admit I'm biased to the extreme in his favor, and thus possibly blind to those mis-speaks.

But what are those words he shouldn't have said?

I have only heard words that should have been said.

They never give an example, so what are a couple?

[Lopeover]

Andy Jackson? I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt.

[Russ]

Trump just might throw a monkey wrench into the GOPe third party plans by naming one of them as his running mate. It worked for Reagan when he put Bush on his ticket and it would work this time, too. The VP position (other than presiding over the senate) is mostly ceremonial anyway.

[BigEdLB]

Maybe. Rick Perry or Scott Walker?

[Renegade]

Trmp is the BEST thing that has happened to the GOP Party of WIMPS in the last 35 years.

[Renegade]

Teddy Roosevelt was a PROGRESSIVE!

[rrrod]

Best election cycle ever! If Trump wins the nom all hell is going to break out LOL.

[cookcounty]

"Best election cycle ever! If Trump wins the nom all hell is going to break out LOL.

You sound happy about going to hell. Why don't you just say "God damn America."

The same people boasting about Donald's GOP poll numbers are the same people that have nothing intelligent to say about the polls for the general election in which Trump is getting hi lunch handed to him by Hillary. For every 4 votes Trump is getting in those polls, Carson, Cruz and Rubio are pulling 5. That's a huge difference. It isn't as if "people will get to know Trump" and change their minds. He's already extremely well-known to the People Magazine crowd (aka "the Swing Vote") and they find him entertainingly despicable.

I am still waiting for someone to intelligently sketch out a path for Trump to improve enough to win the general election next fall.

If it's Trump against Hillary, she'll win in a landslide, unless she goes to jail, and the Obama administration will never prosecute her.

[rrrod]

nice try...now go drink some muslim vomit you idiot....you’re welcome.

[Lopeover]

Teddy Roosevelt beat the crony capitalists and their back room deals.

[Renegade]

But, he WAS a Progressive!

[Renegade]

Sound familiar? “In his landmark “New Nationalism” speech, delivered at Osawatomie, Kansas, in 1910, TR explained what this meant for property rights. In contrast to the Founders, who believed that the right to property was rooted in the natural right to the fruits of one’s labor, Roosevelt argued that the right to property could be justified only if it benefited the community, and the only way to benefit the community was to redistribute the wealth. “

[Lopeover]

Some reforms are beneficial in those times. And the Bull Moose Party as it was called, wasn’t communist/Marxist. Personally, I am glad he lead the way in putting forth regulations on food quality establishing the FDA. He loved the outdoors life, but was such a killer of animals I suspect Enironmentalists would loathe to claim him nowadays.

[Renegade]

I liked him also! Especially Speak softly and Carry a BIG stick!”Just sayin he was a progressive.

[Lopeover]

And I am saying it doesn’t have the meaning “progressive” has to day. But yes his party broke away from esrablidhment and were called progressives.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

If it's Trump against Hillary, she'll win in a landslide, unless she goes to jail, and the Obama administration will never prosecute her.

I think the answer to that question is, it’s early. Hillary is really dirty, and that cannot be hid under a bushel forever. Not only Benghazi, but also her sudden wealth.

As to the latter, there is - at least in a civics book sense, a way around the Obama Just Us department. Consider the following facts:

• “Liberals” are all in for CFR; Obama loves to whine about the Citizens United decision which limited McCain-Feingold, for example. And SCOTUS upheld it (5-4) on grounds that the loss of First Amendment freedom was (somehow) worth the so-called cleanliness of campaign finance it supposedly provides.

• Hillary announced that she and Bill were “dead broke” when they left the WH; now they command a quarter of a billion dollars. A lot of that money came from overseas, and some of it came from foreign governments.

• Article 1 Section 9:

  No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state

  Hillary was “holding an office of trust” under the US as senator (2003-2009) and Secretary of State (2009-2013). The Clintons were raking in the dough during that time and, launder it though they might, she was a principal in the partnership which is their marriage, and in the foundations which make those so-called charitable donations to their foundation nominally legit. It is transparently the case that “any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever” covers contributions to a foundation named after Clinton, which includes Hillary as a principal. And whether or not the foundation spent and spends its money on legit charitable operations is beside the point. Money contributed to the foundation cannot evade of any kind whatever. You cannot claim that McCain-Feingold is good law which needs to be better, and simultaneously claim that getting rich from foreign sources, some known to be foreign government sources, in view of seeking the office of President of the United States, is constitutionally legit.

• Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress

  Although traditionally (and in accord with Federal law which commits Congress to abide by the states’ choices in validating the results of the Electoral College), the people of each state vote for their state’s electors, constitutionally that is not even required at all. Thus, at a minimum, each state has control of the process by which the Electors are selected by the ballot, and SCOTUS has no writ to second guess questions of fairness even were it so inclined.

The conclusion is that each state has the authority, arguably the duty, to enforce against any presidential candidate the constitutional prohibition against accepting anything from foreign governments while being in federal employ. Each state should make it impractical, preferably impossible, for a violator to win its electoral votes. Each state should pass a law creating a cause of action against any presidential candidate, and in a civil suit prove by a mere preponderance of the evidence, that the candidate has been hoovering up illegitimate foreign money. The only penalty would be the inability to win the state’s electoral votes, which would be a civil penalty not requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Which Hillary Clinton has.

If that seems too onerous, you could penalize the miscreant by merely putting her line in the middle of the ballot while her opponent was on Line A. In which case no other candidate for any office would want to be on the same ticket with her . . .

[Luircin]

If you put THAT much trust in the polls, the most recent ones have Trump handily beating Hillary.

[windhover]

As the Grand Old Party emerged from the Whigs at a time of great national crisis; so we see an ,as yet unnamed, political reordering of the Body Politic going on at this moment of great national danger and upheaval. This has far less to do with Donald Trump as a politician and national rage, than an electorate that is in terror of losing control of their culture to enemies within and barbarians outside;but this time there are no gates. Americans have never felt this unprotected. I do not misspeak. Evan at the start of WW11 (which I remember) we were scared but fiercely determined to win, even when the outcome was unsure. The Civil War produce the unlikely candidacy of an uncultivated, shrill voiced, rude joke telling lawyer named Lincoln. The Depression and WW11 brought Roosevelt, and the ultimate disaster of Liberalism. Today after 83 years of liberalism, of our courts, our schools, the creation of ever expanding civil service,and a decadent popular culture , we now have a Marxist Socialist President, who has been “Fundamentally Changing America”.
The last 8 years have finally touched Americans as only the threat of losing your Nation and Culture can. Yes, It appears the “chickens have come home to roost” as they have for the electorate every 100 years or so. This has eluded our political pundits and campaign strategists. So It is far more than political anger and pay back involved. It has become a profound reshaping of the political order that will Elect Donald Trump President of the United States. As yet this political order has no name, and is now unlikely to be co-opted by either party. The Party that understands this first and joins it, will have the first opportunity to recognize and direct it.