Posted on 11/25/2015 3:57:36 PM PST by entropy12
“fascist”
The vast majority of people have no idea what that word means, so it isn’t going to hurt Trump - not even a little bit.
You and I are on exactly the same page. Amazing how many don’t know what fascism is.
It is Romney Redux. Fight nasty in the primary and play softball in the general so we lose.
The black on black crime facts are not that far off. Watch the First 48 and anyone can see. It is almost always black on black crime
Fascism has come to mean many things but at its base, according to Benito Mussolini, fascism is the sublimation of the individual and the primacy of the state. It is a left wing philosophy despite what idiots at Wiki, Websters and Huff Post claim. Trump is many things but a fascist he is not.
Not how I'd define it. Socialism in the sense that it has centralized government planning and essentially the elimination of civil rights. But it retains private ownership of property but under total government control. In this regard China is more a fascist state than a communist one, in my opinion. The extreme nationalism is an optional component.
Now it's clear that the mainstream democratic party is a fascist party, they will stomp on our civil rights (witness attacks on the 1st ammendment, 2nd ammendment, etc) and they want to regulate business to the point of total control. Hillary is a fascist.
Trump certainly won't move to have the government take over private business or further control it. And he seems to support the 1st and 2nd amendments strongly. Not so sure on the rest of the constitution. But there is simply no evidence that he'd move to restrict the civil liberties of CITIZENS. Illegals, well, they don't come under our law/civil liberties. I'd say he's certainly not even close to a fascist. Period.
I take my definition directly from Hermann Goering who was a pretty good authority. Extreme nationalism is an essential element. See Italy’s Mussolini, Argentina’s Peron and Spain’s Franco. We use the term too frequently to describe any authoritarian figure. Putin might be seen as a fascist today.
It’s left wing, it’s government control, and it’s economic model is a union of elite government and corporate leaders to the point they blend together.
“Max Boot”—return of the neocons. Now that Rubio has been coopted by McCainiac and Grahamnesty on foreign policy, Boot is the perfect advisor. Rubio just needs to add Wolfowitz for a proposed policy of nonstop occupations of hellhole ME countries.
I have to give the Gop-E props for such a manic effort to take Trump down.. and creativity— At a secret meeting, I can see them asking each other whether they think they can fool the voters into abandoning Trump by calling him a fascist... and them all agreeing that it is gonna work this time... LOL
So he wasn't at all interested in the idea of racial purity, and fascism to him was primary an economic system where the state is supreme yet within the context of some level of private ownership of industry (i.e. corporations). Well, he did say this:
Now of course Mussolini was a huge nationalist, a subscriber to the Italian irredntism movement. Recall that Italy was an infant nation cobbled together from previously autonomous states. Just a few decades before there was no such think as "Italy". Hence Nationalism in this context was to say that Italy as a state was legitimate and powerful. Viewed through this lens, the nationalism of Mussolini and Franco were both driven by the circumstances of their specific situations: new nations that were still being established. Nationalism then is an appeal to unity where one might otherwise see the state fracture. It made sense if you wanted to be a dictator of a nation that you must first support the idea that there was in fact ONE nation here to rule.
But does that makes sense in the case of established states like, say, China or (should it rise here) the USA or France? Would an appeal to national unity be necessary to consolidate power as it was in Italy and Spain? I say no. If you have all the other characteristics but not the overt nationalism, you have a fascist state.
wow, if the GOPe dopes want to open up this line of attack, they are clueless about their own hypocrisy.
The RNC should be careful that they don’t end up “peroting” themselves and the American people by dividing the vote to three parties and electing Hillary. Not sure any of us have the will to survive what should be an avoidable fate, as long as the RNC holds their noses supports the people’s candidate. Many of us did exactly that when we voted for their last two candidates.
Private ownership of industry, which Italy and Spain and Germany all had, yet the Soviets did not.
Anyway do you contend that the Soviet Union, which referred to WWII as "the great patriotic war" was not nationalistic? I say they were, every bit as much as Spain and Italy and for the same reason: they dictators in charge needed to create a mythology around their nations in order to justify that their state was legitimate and strong so they could hold onto power. Indeed, the first thing that happened when the soviets collapsed was the splintering of the Soviet Union into its component parts.
As I've said though, the thing that set the Soviet Union apart from the fascist states of Italy, Spain, and Germany was the private ownership of industry.
Sad really. How about putting forth some ideas to counter Trumps? They will not and can not do that. They are in the tank for Hillary—that’s why.
They would not do this to hillary...if they had the chance to run against her. But they won’t have that chance. They are like spoiled children - mad as heck.
Right on the mark comment!
The biggest reason why Soviet empire collapsed is because there was no freedom to get rich through entrepreneurship. That stifled innovation and productivity. It was central planning all the way.
That is the same reason why Nehru’s India remained mired in poverty. Central planning and control of industry. Only when Nehru’s congress party lost to BJP, India began its march towards prosperity.
Simply put, the Soviets planed to conquer the world. In the Soviet Union, they incorporated numerous ethnicities.
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