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The Problem with Voting “Other” Whether Libertarian or 3rd Party
Caffeinated Thoughts ^ | October 20, 2012 | Prof. Anita Morrill, Des Moines Area Comm College

Posted on 10/19/2012 11:53:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 10/19/2012 11:53:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Voting 3rd party is political masturbation. It makes you feel good, but doesn’t accomplish anything.


2 posted on 10/20/2012 12:08:07 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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2ndDivisionVet said: "... practically speaking, it’s going to take some time for states and individuals to adjust. "

Unfortunately, I suspect that "reality" is not going to provide time to adjust. The U.S. is like a binge drinker whose bouts have become longer, more frequent, and more intense. We've borrowed all the Chinese will supply. We have probably "borrowed" much of what the Fed can supply.

At the same time that the borrowing has been accelerating, we have been fast approaching the end of all our credit lines. There is no way for our weakened economy to be taxed sufficiently to provide the resources required.

We will all be "adjusting" rapidly whether we want to or not.

3 posted on 10/20/2012 12:09:43 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Hugin
Doh!
Obamas Gotta GO!!
4 posted on 10/20/2012 12:11:42 AM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: William Tell

DMACC Professor Anita Morrill said that, not 2ndDivisionVet.


5 posted on 10/20/2012 12:20:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree that voting Libertarian isn’t pragmatically viable—the R–D duopoly being what it is forces participation in the suboptimal R choice, since voting L merely increases the odds of greater undesirable outcomes (more Ds getting elected). The better approach for Libertarianism to gain traction would be to keep infiltrating the GOP; though the downside is that this would invite backlash from SoCons in the GOP who enjoy using government to play social engineer just like Liberals do, albeit with a different agenda of course.

I disagree with the author’s assumption that Libertarianism is incompatible with a strong national defense. I see Libertarianism as being more directly opposed to nation-bulding, as well as avoiding international entanglement in agreements that don’t serve national self-interest.


6 posted on 10/20/2012 12:20:43 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

lol. My view is totally the opposite.

1. I think libertarians are insane.
2. I think they have every right to support and vote for a third party that better represent their views.


7 posted on 10/20/2012 12:28:52 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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let me add

3. They are adults. Age-wise. I assume they can make decisions on their own what is in their best interest.


8 posted on 10/20/2012 12:31:42 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Am mailing off my absentee ballot today - and voting the Libertarian ticket.

What the author of this article has failed to mention is that, since the presidential election is not a direct election, but rather a (with only one exception: Nebraska) winner-take-all, state-by-state election, voters in uncontested Democratic strongholds such as my home state (California) will not hurt Romney's (already dismal) chances by awarding their vote to the Libertarian Party.

Of course, voters with 3rd-party preferences in so-called "battleground" states would do well to reconsider "wasting" their votes. Conservative voters in such states would indeed be favoring Obummer by strictly "voting their conscience."

Regards,

9 posted on 10/20/2012 12:46:41 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Hugin
Voting 3rd party is political masturbation. It makes you feel good, but doesn’t accomplish anything.

False! There are small, but non-negligible benefits to voting 3rd party (assuming that such a 3rd party indeed more-closely reflects your political convictions):

1) Matching campaign funds and

2) notoriety.

Regards,

10 posted on 10/20/2012 12:50:22 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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There are also huge — albeit fairly improbable — disastrous consequences to voting 3rd party. For example, if Romney loses VA by fewer votes than Virgil garners, and the Marxist wins another four years as a result, that would also be “non-negligible,” to say the least!


11 posted on 10/20/2012 12:57:24 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: alexander_busek
[...] since the presidential election is not a direct election, but rather a (with only one exception: Nebraska) winner-take-all, state-by-state election [...]

Have, in the meantime, determined that Maine likewise can split its electoral college votes.

Myself

12 posted on 10/20/2012 1:15:28 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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  If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the vote in November, we secure public funding for our party in 2016. I vote in Georgia and I suspect that Gary Johnson won't win Georgia. Obama doesn't have a chance here either, so my vote here for Gary Johnson will just be a vote for public funding of the Libertarian party.
13 posted on 10/20/2012 1:19:17 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Maurice Tift

No one, whether it’s me or anyone else, can tell you how to cast your vote. That franchise was won on the battlefields of the Revolutionary War and defended in every war since, from 1812 to Iraq. Each citizen who is not a felon or in an insane asylum get the same one vote. Use it or don’t use it as you see fit.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 1:28:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: kevao

Those who harp on those voting third party seem to make the same assumption: if they do not vote third party, they will vote for Romney. There are other possibilities, most likely not voting on that line at all. Not everyone believes Romney has changed his views as radically as he claims. It is hard for some to pull the lever for someone whose history is opposed to their views.


15 posted on 10/20/2012 1:46:22 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: alexander_busek

Had the Libertarians in AZ8 voted for Jesse Kelly then Gabby Giffords would still have all of her brain because she wouldn’t have been at that shopping center.


16 posted on 10/20/2012 3:27:02 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Ingtar

In an election this important you would think that those “educated” libertarians would use their noggin to remove the dictator in office. I guess there’s a reason that the phrase, “educated fools”, was invented...: )


17 posted on 10/20/2012 3:28:18 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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“Surely, my fellow Americans understand that they have only ONE chance to remove a communist cabal from power peacefully. That chance is November 6, 2012… Who can afford to focus on anything else?

No true Patriot will be sitting out the election at home this time. No decent American will sit on the sidelines in some futile 3rd party fantasy or protest. There is simply too much at stake.

We currently have a known enemy of our nation residing in the people’s White House. The people didn’t have the good sense to stop it in 2008. The courts didn’t have the courage to stop it or rectify the disaster after the 2008 election. Congress hasn’t had the backbone to correct the fraud and hold all accountable, even after the 2010 cycle that swept so-called Tea Party candidates into political power. Not even state governments have the honor and courage to block a known fraud from appearing on the ballot again in 2012.

That means that righting the greatest wrong ever perpetrated in American politics is left to the American people alone. They will get ONE CHANCE to end this charade, peacefully, on November 6th. If they fail to end it peacefully, they will be left with only a Second Amendment solution. There is no other solution at that point.

When did communism become an American Dream for some? A long time ago… When the American people allowed it.

When did the communist dream become acceptable to the rest of America? Only YOU can answer this one, on November 6th, 2012.

No American can afford to sit this one out or play childish games with fantasy candidates. — Removing this criminal communist cabal from power is the ONLY relevant issue of the 2012 election. Only a traitor, a coward or a fool would tell you any different!”

JB Williams

http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams211.htm

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18 posted on 10/20/2012 3:59:20 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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I voted third party in 2008 because I consider John McCain a menace and the Judas Iscariot of the Republican Party. Mitt Romney may policy-to-policy be less conservative than McCain but I’d vote for Romney now simply because we no longer have a blank slate running against him. We have four years of economic illiteracy combined with incredible gall and arrogance.

A third party vote is simply doubling down on four more years of bad economic policy and four more years of lies about everything under the sun. No thinking American should allow that to happen.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 4:14:04 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Hugin; 2ndDivisionVet

I’d encourage “3rd-party” against:
GOP Roraback CT-5 (pro-gay-marriage, NARAL, physician assisted suicide, in a center-right district)
GOP Obsitnick CT-4 (NARAL)
GOP Bass NH-2 (NARAL, in a center-right district)
GOP Tisei MA-5 (gay radical activist, pro-death)

I oppose 3rd-party against:
Scott Brown (supports DOMA, voted ‘no’ on Kagan)
Linda McMahon, CT
Dold, Illinois (mixed voting record per National Right to Life)
Nan Hayworth, NY (mixed voting record per National Right to Life)

the prob is that anyone who lacks sound judgment on this matter is apt to do the 3rd-party thing against anyone who annoys them in the least. 3rd-party is a good thing, but in the hands of stooges, very dangerous tool.


20 posted on 10/20/2012 4:15:14 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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