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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think Palin cost McCain the election but I don’t think it was Obama’s fundraising that did it to McCain either. That Obama had more money only begs the question rather than provides the answer. Obama raised more funds because he was a more appealing candidate, generated more enthusiasm and delivered a more articulate message — regardless of whether we agree with it — than McCain to the public masses at the time.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 10:24:00 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

It’s starting to come to light (although we were hearing about it in 2008) that millions of dollars of that money came from places like Pakistan, Gaza, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Europe and the like, which is illegal. I doubt that having Ronald Reagan as his running mate would’ve saved McCain.


10 posted on 02/25/2012 10:29:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: AtlasStalled

Fundraising isn’t nearly as almighty important as many seem to think it is. Obviously you have to be able to make ads and travel but at a certain point the money becomes meaningless.

My congressman defeated a democrat incumbent and his union minions with less than half the money in 2010. They spent $8 million and he spent around $4 million. (Which was more money than he raised in his entire 14 year career in state politics)


11 posted on 02/25/2012 10:30:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: AtlasStalled; cripplecreek
but I don’t think it was Obama’s fundraising that did it to McCain either

Obama had a 10:1 advantage over McCain because McCain didn't take public funds.

Obama said he would sit down with McCain and discuss the issue of public funds but he lied and decided to just take the money.

Obama had $750 M to McCain's $75 M. Certainly money was one of the main reasons Obama won. And that's why he'll lose this time...the GOP nominee will compete on a level field this time.

12 posted on 02/25/2012 10:31:59 AM PST by what's up
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To: AtlasStalled

After McCain chose Palin for VP, he was leading Obama in the polls - until the Sept 2008 run on the bank, shortly after which the direction of the polls reversed. Fact.

Obama bought the election all right. But it wasn’t just through the illegal foreign campaign contributions that the Obama campaign disabled from being tracked. What got Obama elected was the run on the bank - and we’ve never been told who did that run on the bank.

We do know that the banks who benefited from TARP were mostly foreign sharia-compliant banks who contributed to groups like ACORN...

And we do know that Middle Eastern Muslims were saying that Obama is a Muslim and Ghadaffi was saying he was just hoping that Obama wouldn’t have to “moderate” his goals too much once he was elected. The Egyptian ambassador said in a TV interview that Obama had privately stated what his goals were. He said Obama told him he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda but that the Muslim world needed to be patient with him because he couldn’t focus on the Muslim agenda until after he got Obamacare passed.

That meeting between Obama and the Egyptian ambassador was in January 2010, when Obama had been in office for a year. So Obama was feeling like he had to apologize to the Muslim world for not pushing the Muslim agenda (the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia) within his first year. That may be because - as we now know - Ahmadinejad at the beginning of 2008 was expecting the POTUS elected in 2008 to pave the way so that the Mahdi would return by mid-2011.

We must also realize that George Soros has said...

that he owns the democratic party. He paid for it; it is his.

that he doesn’t want the US to win the “war on terror” because that would make America and capitalism strong, and those are the 2 great evils he has to fight.

that he is God.

We must also realize that George Soros has made his fortune by manipulating economies, and that at least one Soros-funded group (can’t remember which one, should try to look that up) urged all their people to make a run on a particular bank, to try to create a panic. So this is a methodology the Soros people can use. That effort flopped because they didn’t have people with enough money to make a difference, but since Soros has lots of his own money and has lots of communist and Islamist allies who are filthy rich (and who could get their money back through TARP), the same tactic we saw publicly could easily have been done successfully with bigger bucks. That would also explain why we were never told who made the run on the banks in Sept of 2008.

That ability to make - at any time of his choosing - a run on the bank that could (as Bush described it) “end the world as we know it” could also explain what Soros could hold over the heads of the media - which he threatened into silence over Obama’s eligibility issue, and at least until he left Fox they were STILL threatening Glenn Beck to try to shut him up about Soros’ communist and Islamist connections in the world and in Obama’s puppet regime. It would also explain how Bush, Cheney, Chief Justice Roberts and all the eligibility judges including Judge Michael Malihi (who just made a sharia ruling that Obama was eligible to be on the GA ballot) simply stood by and let Obama get the White House - Bush most notably beginning that stance (and giving a speech telling us that the world would end if we didn’t pass TARP) on the very same day that Obama called John McCain and McCain responded by suspending his campaign and trying to call off the debates. Something about that day scared the life right out of both Bush and McCain - and after which McCain’s poll numbers began to tank.

It would also explain why the Sept 2008 run on the bank was followed by both Ahmadinejad and Zawahiri saying that “since capitalism had failed”, the world should try Islamic finance (and could explain why Bernanke and Paulson led sharia-compliant finance seminars right after the run on the bank, and why sharia-compliant banks got TARP money). It explains why at the same time Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez were saying that “since capitalism had failed”, the world should try communism. It explains why the IMF was meeting to decide what needed to happen next, since “capitalism had failed”.

There is way too much that I could say and show to make the picture clearer, but I don’t have the time right now to say and show it all. It’s there, though. This is just a taste. A few facts which, when assembled together, make a fairly clear picture.

Obama’s campaign was what this guy in this interview said - until Palin was chosen as VP, and then Obama’s world turned upside down. What got Obama to win was the Sept 2008 run on the bank. I believe this guy was right, though, that the win was accomplished by lots and lots of money. I believe that money came from communist and Islamist sources under the direction of George Soros, who has done everything by manipulating economies.

The subprime lending mess that made our economy so vulnerable.... was the mind-child of Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, who within The New Party in Chicago (of which Obama was a signed member) were looking for a lawyer who would push the two LEGAL agendas to make the Cloward-Piven Plan to overthrow the US. It just so happened that Barack Obama was the lawyer whose Harvard degree was funded by a Saudi prince, and whose only two legal battles involved the Motor Voter Law to compromise the integrity of elections and Community Reinvestment Act harassment of banks to force them into subprime lending to compromise the integrity of our economic system.

So Obama was a central piece of the communists’ Cloward-Piven Plan to weaken elections and economy, and he owed his win to a run on the bank - with communists and Islamists immediately declaring themselves the winners after the run on the bank, because “capitalism had failed”.

As I said, there is much, much more but this is a start. We are naive if we believe it was sheer politics that put Obama in office, and we will be dangerously naive if we believe that sheer politics will get him out of office.


21 posted on 02/25/2012 11:10:29 AM PST by butterdezillion
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