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Did Karl Rove Accidentally Reveal That He Expects Obama to Win in 2012?
New York Magazine ^ | December 23, 2010 | Dan Amira

Posted on 01/01/2011 8:10:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

On Fox News last night, Republican political operative extraordinaire Karl Rove discussed the possibility of Hillary Clinton running for president in 2016.

"I suspect she will be a candidate. I suspect she is going to think about being a candidate in 2016, and we'll know by about 2014. If she leaves the [Obama] Administration in 2014 or 2015, in order to give herself a chance to write a book about her experiences and reconnect with the grassroots, then she might entertain it."

And what would be the clue to Clinton's intentions if there is no Obama administration in 2014? Rove didn't address that scenario.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; backstabberrove; canttrustrove; hillary; karlrove; obama; romney; rove; rove4obama; rove4romney; rovevsgop; tokyorove
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Which is probably what he wants, if he can't get Myth Romney or Jeb Bush in there.
1 posted on 01/01/2011 8:10:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rove is playing the odds.... most sitting presidents win reelection.

Yes, I know that the unelected Ford didn’t and the horrid Carter was defeated, and also GHWB lost his reelection bid.


2 posted on 01/01/2011 8:14:07 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lincoln said you can’t beat somebody with nobody. Now the hapless GOP is in the position being unable to beat nobody with anybody!


3 posted on 01/01/2011 8:16:06 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The conservative element and the Repub party had better be focused on getting Obama OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE in 2012. They should quit their quibbling about this person or that person. They have a much bigger battle to fight in November of 2012 -— Obama must be defeated no matter what or who it takes.

Priority ONE! The anti-American Marxist effort must be stopped and crushed. Then the rebuilding can begin in earnest.


4 posted on 01/01/2011 8:17:20 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the RINOs they would rather see another term for Obama rather than Palin winning.


5 posted on 01/01/2011 8:18:48 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I would consider Karl Rove a joke if he wasn't so dangerous to the conservative movement. He is the consummate RINO and enemy of the party.
6 posted on 01/01/2011 8:20:14 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove should stfu at this point. He had his day.
7 posted on 01/01/2011 8:23:39 PM PST by allmost
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; onyx
Rove is as nutty as Krauthammer.

But here's a nice picture of the National Trophy Winner in the Rose Parade today...

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8 posted on 01/01/2011 8:23:53 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BLOGGER ELMO_IS_BACK COMMENTS:

He is saying that is the ONLY way
Hillary will be a candidate.
NOT in 2012.


9 posted on 01/01/2011 8:24:45 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Truth is that he is right. Nobody wants to hear it, but the Republicans do not have a sure winner to promote. It will be tough.


10 posted on 01/01/2011 8:26:32 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: smoothsailing

I love that! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
I will post on the FReep-a-thon thread!


11 posted on 01/01/2011 8:26:32 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did Karl Rove Accidentally Reveal That He Expects Obama to Win in 2012?

Rove's "top-secret" strategy fell into the hands of Soros and gave him incentive to donate more than $25 million to defeat GWB. The word "accidentally" seems to follow Rove.

Dems Showed Soros Secret Rove Plan

April 06, 2005 - EDITOR'S NOTE: NR White House Correspondent Byron York's new book, The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy, details how MoveOn.org, George Soros, Michael Moore, 527 groups, Al Franken, and other Democratic activists built the biggest, richest, and best organized political movement in generations. The book reports that in 2003, as Democratic operatives were planning the campaign against President Bush, they obtained a copy of a top-secret Republican strategy plan authored by top White House political adviser Karl Rove. The following excerpt details how those operatives, as part of the effort to woo Soros and other multi-million dollar contributors, showed Soros the secret Rove plan during a crucial planning session at Soros's Hamptons estate. After the meeting, Soros became the biggest campaign donor in American history, giving more than $25 million to the effort to defeat George W. Bush.

12 posted on 01/01/2011 8:26:59 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Nachum

Well, I’ll raise $2 million dollars for Governor Sarah Palin. I won’t lift a finger to help a Romney, Huckabee or Bush.


13 posted on 01/01/2011 8:28:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: Mariner

“For the RINOs they would rather see another term for Obama rather than Palin winning.”

BAM! BAM! BAM! as the hammer hits the nails on the head!

Rove is a consummate Washington DC elite, corrupt player, nothing more, and probably much less, if the truth be known.
He and his fellow travelers fear Palin, because she is not corruptible. They see her as shot in the night sky, that will flicker out over time as the relentless assault by the media continues!
I despise Rove, The Bushes, and all living RINOs who are out to subvert and destroy Conservative and the Constitution. They are my enemy as much as The Usurper and Communist Party USA are.


14 posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:01 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rove is starting to STINK and so is Krauthammar..


15 posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: onyx

What happens if we hit Nov. 2012 and unemployment has dropped to 8%? That’s improvement but is it enough?

Also, what events will transpire to raise or lower Obama’s approval rating between now and November 2012?


16 posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:32 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: onyx

Ping me when you post it, I’ve got two more Reagan Float pics I can post there. :o)


17 posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:41 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did Karl Rove Accidentally Reveal That He Expects Obama to Win in 2012?

Don't know, don't care. Rove is an unconscionable RINO who has been getting all kinds of undeserved credit for falling ass-backwards into two Bush victories. Bush won because Gore and Kerry act drunk and make Bush look articulate. Rove needs to go take a long walk down a short pier.

18 posted on 01/01/2011 8:30:30 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Cisco Nix

Rove the POS is on Prince Al Waleed’s Fox News spewing pro-Obama propaganda?

According to posts on FR - Megan Kelly is making fun of birthers. Yeah Fox is your friend. ALL TV is pro-Obama propaganda. I dumped Obama TV after he was elected. I saw how excited our “friends” at Fox were on election night for the muslim.


19 posted on 01/01/2011 8:30:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The republican Party will do everything within their power to ensure that obama is re-elected.

Hell! John Mc Cain did everything but take out an ad in the newspaper saying,”Vote for obama.” When he said that we had nothing to fear from an obama Presidency. History has shown that we had a hellofalot to fear from an obama Presidency.


20 posted on 01/01/2011 8:31:52 PM PST by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jeez. It is enlightening to have these inside the beltway dunces mouth off to tell us what they really believe. I wish I knew this in '04 before I voted for the gentleman who thought that saving the free market involved ruining it. Where is our Cliff Barnes to this guys elitist backed JR? We need him now.


21 posted on 01/01/2011 8:31:54 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mitt, Jeb and Newt appear to be non-starters. Mitt has Romneycare. Newt has his pro-establishment antics. Jeb’s last name is “Bush.”


22 posted on 01/01/2011 8:34:04 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Frantzie

I have to agree with you. FOX has become Bi-Polar. Fair and balanced bi-polar schmoes.


23 posted on 01/01/2011 8:34:50 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: hosepipe

...In 1978, Krauthammer quit medical practice to direct planning in psychiatric research for the Jimmy Carter administration, and began contributing to The New Republic magazine. During the presidential campaign of 1980, Krauthammer served as a speech writer to Vice President Walter Mondale....
...In January 1981, Krauthammer began his journalistic career, joining The New Republic as a writer and editor....

...on domestic issues, Krauthammer is a supporter of legalized abortion; an opponent of the death penalty; an intelligent design critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus on evolution, calling the religion-science controversy a “false conflict;” a supporter of embryonic stem cell research using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications; and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes to induce conservation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

His WaPo Bio:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/opinions/krauthammer.htm

His speakers bureau bio:
http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celebritytalentbios/Charles-Krauthammer

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Krauthammer_Charles

http://www.s9.com/Biography/Krauthammer-Charles

http://www.deardemocrat.com/node/592


24 posted on 01/01/2011 8:35:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: J Edgar; 2ndDivisionVet

I believe, as you do that she is incorruptible. Do you have any idea what her opinion of the NWO is. Bush and his father were strong proponents, as are all establishment Republicans.


25 posted on 01/01/2011 8:37:25 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then we’ll have President Obama.


26 posted on 01/01/2011 8:40:36 PM PST by Hildy
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To: onyx

So 3 of the last six presidents lost re-election bids - 50%

If Barry runs again, which I don’t think he will, he would tip the balance to 4 out of 7 not winning a second term, IMHO.


27 posted on 01/01/2011 8:41:01 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I need to add that I don’t think ANY of those people you mention can win either.


28 posted on 01/01/2011 8:41:38 PM PST by Hildy
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To: B4Ranch
Although I have not seen a specific statement from her on NWO, I think that her strong patriotism, and belief in individualism, the American Dream and Exceptionalism are strong indicators that she is 100% anti-NWO, and thus the opposition from the slime you referenced!
29 posted on 01/01/2011 8:43:09 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, I’ll raise $2 million dollars for Governor Sarah Palin. I won’t lift a finger to help a Romney, Huckabee or Bush.

As much as I disliked McCain, he would have been much better than what we have now. No matter who gets the nomination will be better than who we have now. If Sarah gets the nod, fine. If not, we will have to suffer with a RINO.

Still, a RINO is better than what we have now.

30 posted on 01/01/2011 8:44:22 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: EagleUSA

In my opinion many Republicans don’t want to rebuild the country. They only care about themselves and, to a lesser extent, their party. They care little about their country and nothing about conservatism. These guys are middle-aged or older and all they want is to be comfortable for their remaining years. This is the very definition of “ruling class,” and it’s why people are increasingly fed up with ALL politicians, not just the Marxists.

In my darker moments I sometimes wonder if there is any peaceful way this can be stopped. I pray that there, and I have great hope for the incoming Congress.


31 posted on 01/01/2011 8:46:46 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's still Hillary "I have no intention of running" Clinton's turn.

Rumors of her leaving the SoS position.

National Clinton Enquirer "outing" The One....

It's still Her Turn.

Barack Hussein Alinsky.

Hillary Rodham Alinsky.

How shall you choose, grasshopper?

32 posted on 01/01/2011 8:48:59 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Palin wins, Tokyo Rove is out of a job. He’s afraid, very afraid.


33 posted on 01/01/2011 8:50:05 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: J Edgar

Judging from FReeper awareness (5% at most) as to exactly what Agenda 21 and the NWO are all about, I won’t be confident until I hear her say that she has researched the issue and knows exactly how harmful they are to America.


34 posted on 01/01/2011 8:52:28 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: flintsilver7

Your darker moments are realism. The next two years are going to be a storm the likes of which we’ve never seen. Stock up on food.


35 posted on 01/01/2011 8:56:06 PM PST by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Aglooka

All it takes is republicans running commercials of biden and o-hole blasting GWB’s 5% unemployment as ‘the worst ever’ and then showing their 4 year record of unemployment under them, with them running the clip of biden saying that 10% unemployment is the ‘new norm’.


36 posted on 01/01/2011 8:58:15 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

imho one of the republican states which recently created supermajorities in its state houses to go along with a repbublican governor— is going to pass
a law mandating that every presidential candidate
must show a long form birth certificate.

That will cause Obama some problems.


37 posted on 01/01/2011 8:59:38 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: B4Ranch

Point taken - if Palin isn’t anti-NWO, then I would say no one in politics today are.


38 posted on 01/01/2011 9:02:53 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: Nachum

True


39 posted on 01/01/2011 9:08:26 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: J Edgar

This ‘it can’t happen here’ attitude is bringing us down faster than I ever imagined. I don’t know if it’s because they are afraid to examine the truth or what but its hurting us.


40 posted on 01/01/2011 9:10:01 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, and I think Palin is smart enough to run those commercials. RINO’s won’t because it’s not “gentlemanly” enough. -


41 posted on 01/01/2011 9:11:56 PM PST by Twinkie (Awake and strengthen that which remains . . . . . . . . Revelation 3)
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To: ckilmer

>>is going to pass a law mandating that every presidential candidate must show a long form birth certificate.<<

The fact that it hasn’t been done yet is not a good indicator that it will be.


42 posted on 01/01/2011 9:17:04 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obamao is well on his way to being a one term catastrophe. Republicans can beat him, if we don’t beat ourselves to death first.


43 posted on 01/01/2011 9:21:30 PM PST by pallis
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To: Nachum

McCain is the reason we have what we have now. He thought his friend across the aisle, BO, was just fine and refused to run against him. He saved his presidential campaign funds to run against the conservative in his Arizona senate race. He always finds plenty he doesn’t like about conservatives.

The RINOs are why we have the congressional troubles we have now. We lost congress because the RINOs never met an earmark or spending program they did not like. This past lame duck session proves what backstabbing traitors they are. No way I’ll ever consider a RINO for anything again.


44 posted on 01/01/2011 9:22:40 PM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove’s reputation as as the great kingmaker is a fabrication of FNC. In 2000 Bush won because of a Supreme Court decision and came close to losing to John Kerry (aka Jon Carry) in 2004.

Al Gore and John Kerry aren't exactly charismatic, stellar candidates.

45 posted on 01/01/2011 9:23:27 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Hildy
Then we’ll have President Obama.

Do not concur.

46 posted on 01/01/2011 10:08:42 PM PST by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: Waryone
You said it!

I held my nose and voted for

. . . I could just as well have written in Donald Duck.

My tagline remains:

47 posted on 01/01/2011 10:11:30 PM PST by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We know Rove won’t go on the offensive against Obama’s campaign. Let’s face it why would Rove attack Obama? Obama’s not a conservative.


48 posted on 01/01/2011 10:16:54 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: onyx

Reagan, despite the media’s best efforts, was recognized as a damned fine leader. That’s why he won a second term.

G.B. Sr was known for his “read my lips” promise. His base dumped him. He lost his second term.

Clinton was a charming rogue. That was enough for the independents.

For all his faults, GW was a leader. Thank God he beat Kerry for reelection. Imagine that traitor on 9/11!

Now, take a look at Obama. Even many on the left are furious with his behavior. If the Republicans can pull their collective head from their collective ass, and take the damned gloves off, and attack Obama like they’ve attacked the conservative candidates, they stand a very good chance at retaking the presidency.

Personally, I’d rather scrap the GOP and support a TEA Party candidate.


49 posted on 01/01/2011 10:31:33 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Karl who?


50 posted on 01/02/2011 12:57:02 AM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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