Good Book on the Six Day War

[CriticalJ]

I just finished reading a pretty good book on the Six Day War. The book's title is: SIX DAYS of WAR. It is by Michael Oren. It isn't a weekend read, but it is informative. The people named in the book went on to dominate Middle East politics for at least the next two generations, if not more. It's funny, out of 12 years of public education and 4 years of college, I never heard anything about this war, yet its impact has shaped the politics in the region up until this day. So, if you want to learn a little more about the region, it's worth a read.

If anyone can recommend more books about the history of Israel since its rebirth, please do. I am particularly interested in the wars fought with their neighbors.

[Hank All-American]

When I saw "Good Book," I thought for a moment you must have been referring to Heather Has Two Mommies.

[CriticalJ]

Not quite. That ones at the bottom of my stack right now. I might get to it by the time I am 70.

[schu]

Yes, I have read the book you mention.

I suggest the Yom Kippur War, by the Insight Team of the Sunday Times. It talks about how Sadat came to power and had to attack Israel to save Arab pride and how he was almost successful, at least by Arab standards. Again, the world stopped Israel from driving on to Cairo and inflicting a true defeat, hence we have a continued "stalemate" in the Mideast.

[roses of sharon]

I will have to read both of those books.

But I am interested in the overall template, mindset, and goals of the world-wide "press" concerning the Islamic cults.

It seems they have painted a picture of victimhood for these cults for 30 years. And have allowed what I call the cultural psychosis induced by Islam to thrive. Or maybe they have been infected themselves, as most on the left have.

The rationalizations for the murder of innocents, and the brainwashing of Islamic youth to suicide is stunning. And the press's tone gets more and more irrational since 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Is this accurate in your view? Do you believe that the UN, media, academia, ect, are fighting a proxy war against the US and Israel thru these cults?

Could the world-view of Arabs, Muslims, and these cults have survived without the powerful propaganda they receive from a supposed civilized press, and leftwing western governments?

And what can we do about it?

[TerP26]

Raid on The Sun -it's about the bombing of the Iraqi nuclear reactor. Great exciting, interesting book.

[CriticalJ]

I'll check my library for the YOM KIPPUR WAR this afternoon. If I'm not mistaken, that is the follow up war to the Six Day war. It would be interesting to see what caused this one.

Your assessment on the world stopping Israel from inflicting true defeat is right on. In the Six Day war, they didn't even get a chance to teach Syria a valuable lesson, eventhough Syria was the main culprit in instigating the war.

[CriticalJ]

Time to the palm pilot out here so I can keep track of all these.

Thanks.

[CriticalJ]

It's hard to argue with some of your points. The fact that over the last 20 years, Yassir Arafat lost the descriptive term terrorist demonstrates a lot of what you are describing about the media.

"Do you believe that the UN, media, academia, ect, are fighting a proxy war against the US and Israel thru these cults?"

Unfortunately, it seems that way.

"Could the world-view of Arabs, Muslims, and these cults have survived without the powerful propaganda they receive from a supposed civilized press, and leftwing western governments?"

No. The coverage that terrorist recieve in one part of the world only fuels would be terrorists in another part of the world.

"And what can we do about it?"

Not much. Support politicians who support Israel. Read and stay informed about the Middle East without taking what the Media says as fact. I've often wondered if our gov't has thought about McCarthiasm against radical islamic govt's?.

[schu]

I believe there is a worldwide effort based upon economic self-interest/greed (based on oil) and deep seated antisemitism to see Israel destroyed. As we are a major supporter/protector of Israel (not that they need our protection militarily) and also the envy of the world, we are also the enemy. To that end, many in the world will work to see us humiliated in the hopes that we will withdraw from world affairs.

Vietnam and the resulting years after are a great example of what would happen if this occurs, communism on the move, genocide and general mayhem.

IMHO, the best way to understand the Arab mind is to read David Pryce Jones's excellent book, The Closed Circle. His thesis, written around 1990, is that Arabs are in real trouble as they are basically a "shame" culture, everything they do and say is based upon avoiding shame and if shamed, to gain revenge. The are constantly trying to screw each other over. As a result they are fundamentally unable to organize their societies in any way where democratic concepts, the common good, rule of law and other ideas which we take for granted. If true, we are in for a very long effort in the Middle East to take them out of the dark ages and into the modern world where at a minimum they do not threaten our very way of life.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

THE ISRAELIS:

Ordinary People in an Extraordinary Land

-by Donna Rosenthal