Posted on 03/28/2024 8:04:45 PM PDT by hardspunned
As a result of modernization, it became possible to launch Russian aerial bombs from the ground, from the Tornado-S multiple rocket launcher. For this, engineers have developed a special kit consisting of an accelerating jet engine, folding wings and a control module.
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220 pounds of explosives is weak. The US SDB is about that and is rarely useful. 500 lbs is standard and that’s for the old MK82, onto which JDAM kits were attached.
As to adding guidance and mild propulsion to what is effectively an artillery shell, no big deal. Been done, by both sides, for years.
Russian tech is often superior, but this is not an example.
Now, what MAY be an example is the sheer availability of raw materials to make FAB3000 and 2000. Lots and lots of pounds of explosives. The US doesn’t have that. For over a year now the media’s obsession with drones has distracted from the reality that they can’t carry enough boomage to matter.
We destroyed most of our Cold War weapons as the latest Japanese Corporate Culture says to MINIMIZE INVENTORIES. So we told ourselves they were ‘obsolete’ and will never have a future use, and so all of that storage cost was saved.
Russia, though, is SO BACKWARDS that they weren’t up on Japanese Corporate Culture that they kept everything from the Cold War, being the TOTAL IDIOTS that the are...until now.
By they how’s our decommissioning of A-10’s, F-117s, and God knows what else, going?
Who cares about that? How much does Raytheon make warehousing a fifty year old dumb bomb? Let’s keep our “national defense” priorities straight here.
“Who cares about that? How much does Raytheon make warehousing a fifty year old dumb bomb? Let’s keep our “national defense” priorities straight here.”
...and the thing is, we COULD have had both - private companies, but paying them to keep facilities, inventory, and skilled workers around for the day that Victoria Nuland’s lifelong dream of going to war against Russia was fulfilled. Yes, it would have added 5 to 10 percent to defense spending, but it was possible. But no, we turned our military industrial base into a skeleton of what it was...and then went on a warmongering rampage.
Really smart.
Hopefully well. Those are flying coffins these days against state of the art AA. We need better missiles instead!
Can you just imagine if our military-industrial complex manufactured weapons using Just-In-Time manufacturing techniques? I worked at two different companies that implimented it, and both companies gave up eventually.
Machine breakdowns, raw materials that weren’t delivered “just in time” to be inserted into the manufacturing process, operator unreliability- you name it.
We never would’ve won WWII .
“Hopefully well. Those are flying coffins these days against state of the art AA. We need better missiles instead!”
Same as we thought about our dumb bombs, right?
Trying to predict the next war or the what we’ll be against is ABSOLUTELY HOPELESS, which is why we keep getting our butts kicked, as clearly spelled out at the beginning of Top Gun (when they talked about how we got our asses kicked in dog fights...because our brass thought that dog fights were also ‘obsolete’ so we stopped training our pilots).
Sorry, but Russia GOT THIS RIGHT, which is that thinking you can figure out the next war is downright STUPID, so you hold on to what you have, and then if you need it, it is there. If not, it is a relatively small cost and you write it off.
An artillery shell holds about 25lbs of explosive. An aerial bomb holds 8 times as much. And the range of this device is about 4x the shell. And it is precision guided, unlike most arty shells. For the discriminating artillery man, what’s not to like?
They may think that using up MLRS rockets to lob the FAB-250s is a good stopgap measure, but to me the most interesting question is why they need to do that.
“Can you just imagine if our military-industrial complex manufactured weapons using Just-In-Time manufacturing techniques?”
Are you sure they don’t? Seems to me that the SAME IDIOTS that brought us JIT in the civilian world also infest the military world, although, as we’re learning the hard way, JIT only works for fairly level production rates, not for a surge requiring 5 to 10 times production.
As to your comment, you can add labor unions, particularly strikes, should the Democrats win the White House one more time.
Are you aware that most of a bomb’s weight is in the casing, not the explosive filler?
Yeah right! A 155 artillery shell has 22 lbs of explosive. 1/10 a FAB 250. A precision guided 155 round cost $100,000 per. Raytheon has enough paid lobbyists to cover Congress. They don’t need you out here trying to bamboozle the FR rubes.
Yep, nothing says success like a 3 day military operation turning into a multi-year war.
Is getting all that Russian armor, ships, and aircraft destroyed part of the plan too?
Did you see the Russian SU-27 that Russia shot down yesterday over Crimea? Was that also part of getting it right?
How much does a 9M530 booster cost?
Sorry, but this is an ADULT conversation, take your garbage elsewhere please.
If old, useless tech floats your boat, there’s the whole US Navy. Or the B-52. Or the Minuteman. Or the Abrams tank. Or the F-16.
“If old, useless tech floats your boat, there’s the whole US Navy. Or the B-52. Or the Minuteman. Or the Abrams tank. Or the F-16.”
My point is that old may very well have a use. Russia used their old tanks behind the lines as artillery, for example. I suspect that some of our WW2 weapons that we scrapped could have helped Ukraine immensely, particularly if they were modernized (at 10% of the cost of brand new weapons).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-500
The Russians label in kilograms. 2.2 pounds per kilogram. 300 Kg of explosives.
As for guidance, that will use ring laser gyros and linear accelerometers. If you do not understand phase locked loops, then you do not understand guidance.
I have a moment to instruct.
An RLG in basic form directs a laser at a mirrored wedge, splitting the beam to reflect rightwards and leftwards. Not very far away will be diagonal mirrors for the beams, to change their direction back to their original direction, though now offset a small distance. Then another pair of diagonal mirrors to direct the beams, plural, at sensors. The sampling of the laser is at high enough frequency to detect phase change if the device was physically rotated during beam traverse.
Meaning, the sinusoid of the beam will arrive at the receive point at slightly different phase with respect to the other beam. This phase difference is rotation during traverse. A delta theta.
Do this with three devices and you have X, Y and Z rotations, pitch roll and yaw. Then the measure of the linear accelerometer(s) will inform you of acceleration during that sample period, in the direction newly computed by the rotated RLG.
If you did not understand all of that . . . it won’t matter. Nothing typed here matters.
First, the Tornado-S already has Russian GLONAS (their GPS) guided MLRS rockets, and have used them in Ukraine since the start of the war. Second, the FAB-250 bomb has the same weight as the Tornado rockets. There is no way to fit more equipment one of these bombs, fit it in front of a booster, give greater range, and stay within the size and weight limits of the Tornado rocket and launcher.
Some pro-Invasion telegram channel puts out a video claiming a new wonder weapon. Does Russia really have or need it, when they already have GLONASS guided MLRS rocket and glide bombs? Sounds fishy.
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