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To: DiogenesLamp; Ultra Sonic 007; Penelope Dreadful
Also, i've posted that lawbook from Pennsylvania which flat out says our "citizenship" comes from Vattel, and the people most likely to know what was intended by the Convention (held in Philadelphia in 1787) was the Philadelphia legal community, which is exactly where that book came from.

What a grand saga this was where you tried to pass off a page from a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas as coming from a "book" by four Judges of the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

The publication by the Judges of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is available from Google here.

The "book" is a 38-page report consisting of a list of English statutes. Each cited statute contains a very brief description of what it is about.

The page of text you misattributed to the "book" by the Judges of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was by a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of Pennsylvania who had nothing to do with the convention. Judge Roberts, who nobody ever heard of, is the one who wrote something stupid. You are the one who tried to sheep dip the page from Judge Roberts with the title page of the report by the four judges from the state spreme court.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4169134/posts?page=159#159

159 posted on 07/25/2023 3:40:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp

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168 posted on 7/26/2023, 6:55:28 AM by Penelope Dreadful

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169 posted on 7/26/2023, 6:17:26 PM by woodpusher

The words proposed by Sen. Jacob Howard were incorporated into the Constitution via Section I of the 14th Amendment in 1868 — "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

As shown by the introduction of the 14A citizenship clause by Mr. Howard, his intent of the clause was quite clear and specific.

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques­tion is on the amendments proposed by the Senator from Michigan, [Mr. Howard.]

Mr. HOWARD. The first amendment is to section one, declaring that "all persons born in the United States, and subject to the juris­diction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside." I do not propose to say anything on that sub­ject except that the question of citizenship has been so fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Govern­ment of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citi­zens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.


68 posted on 01/13/2024 6:54:15 PM PST by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher
Not going to bother with this attempt to deflect from the truth. The Judges did inform Roberts of what was the correct truth. You just don't want to admit it.

Roberts rubbed shoulders with them during their lifetime, and you know he talked about this with them.

98 posted on 01/15/2024 1:01:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher

I am so sad to see that Diogenes is still lying his ass off about that book, and Vattel. I think he is what the Canucks call an OPCA-type person. https://www.canlii.org/en/commentary/doc/2018CanLIIDocs90#!fragment//BQCwhgziBcwMYgK4DsDWszIQewE4BUBTADwBdoByCgSgBpltTCIBFRQ3AT0otokLC4EbDtyp8BQkAGU8pAELcASgFEAMioBqAQQByAYRW1SYAEbRS2ONWpA


147 posted on 01/17/2024 12:26:14 PM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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