Posted on 12/04/2023 7:40:03 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
As a child, you were not expected to be able to always distinguish between fact and fiction.
As an adult, you are required to so I will be interested to learn which facts presented here you still think of as fairy-tale fictions.
Can you point out an example or two?
It’s fascinating to see how many people come here to a pro ukranian perspective thread and complain about Ukrainian propaganda.
So many that many times their posts outnumber the others, almost like they are coming here to get hits and clicks😎
I see nothing wrong with what mom does, this is her perspective if they want to see the opposite there are plenty of other sites they can go to Jon and kazan post many, then there are the pro Russian YouTube and RT channels.
As to Denys making money off this through YouTube, so what, don’t subscribe, like or visit
Personally I find his content pretty fair, he is hard on Ukrainians when he sees fault, reports what he knows about frontlines, hits and loses, Russian advances/loses.
He is not my only source, I listen to atp geopolitics, Joe bloggs, Perun and many others
Simply calling one side of the other propaganda (lies) is lazy and weak.
Is Ukraine winning, I would say no, but there are always metrics to be considered
Is Russia winning, well after nearly 2 years(was chided and told it is three years lol if anything it is almost 10 years, 2014) has Russia attained its goals and if not are they near them
10s of thousands dead and wounded, 1000s of pieces of equipment lost, Soviet legacy stockpiles dwindling fast, wealth fund dwindling, third or fourth mobilization for troops to fight their quick SMO, and they almost have bakmut and well working on adiivka.
Petro net revenues down, from military exporter to importer.
Stop NATO expansion, well that is going well!
All against a much smaller country with relatively modest support from the west.
Call that propaganda, but that is how I see it
I am enjoying your posts, well thought out.
As to having an effect on bimbo and others, they are not looking for debate or facts that might persuade them one way or another. Their minds or in some cases their agendas are set. Facts or logic are irrelevant
When it generally comes down to name calling and zippy one liners, that is all I need to see
But keep up the content I appreciate it
Total US aid authorized for Ukraine since February 2022 is said to be $113 billion.
Of that, roughly half is military hardware shipped from old stocks of reserved or obsolete equipment.
The authorized costs then are to build new US equipment to replace the old stuff shipped to Ukraine.
The other half was humanitarian and financial aid to Ukraine, much of which may also have gone to purchase American goods (i.e., food, infrastructure equipment) and services.
This $14 billion from the World Bank is a loan, not charity from the US taxpayers.
By the way, as of March 2023, the total cost of reconstruction of Ukraine from war-related damages was put at $411 billion.
I think that amount is roughly the value of Vladimir Putin's personal checking accounts now frozen in banks in Switzerland & elsewhere.
Naturally such banks are reluctant to seize Putin's money for reparations payments to Ukraine, at least until after Putin is convicted of war crimes in the Hague.
bimboeruption: "I haven’t seen any evidence of this when I buy food or gas or anything else and aren’t homeless Vets still living in cardboard boxes under bridges and huddled in sleeping bags on streets?"
Turns out, there's an amazingly simple and quick way to solve the homeless problem, as was demonstrated in San Francisco just recently.
All it took was a visit from Communist China's Pres. Xi and miraculously, San Francisco was quickly restored to something resembling its past **glory**.
So, we need only invite the Communist dictator to visit every US city with a homeless problem and, in the blink of an eye, the problem will be solved.
Sadly, I don't think that solution is necessarily permanent, so we may have to invite Xi to come visit again at regular intervals.
Still, it might be worth it, do you agree?
Minority Republican: "That's fine but they'll post propaganda.
I don't blame them.
We did the same during WWII."
Well... obviously, "propaganda", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.
Reports written in good faith intending to be both factual and reasonable may well turn out later on to have been totally wrong, but that did not necessarily make them "propaganda" in hind-sight.
I'm saying, to be "propaganda" it has to be both knowingly false and maliciously intended.
So, "propaganda" is false words weaponized for political purposes, and I don't think that's what we're seeing, even from Ukraine's government.
Minority Republican: "Two examples. Fall of Saigon. And Fall of Kabul."
In both cases the outcome was predictable based on conditions imposed by our Democrat leaders.
In the case of Saigon, Democrats in Congress stopped funding for the South Vietnamese government in advance of a new North Vietnamese offensive.
Until that point, the South Vietnamese had stood strong against the North, but without funding, the government and military collapsed, leading to total defeat.
In Afghanistan the situation was similar, regardless of current Democrat blame-shifting.
The fact is, Democrats made a mess of it, partly maybe because they believed their own lies, but more important, because they just didn't care.
They wanted out by a date certain, no matter what.
So, I don't think "propaganda" was the real problem in either Vietnam or Afghanistan.
Rather, in both cases our Democrats decided to cut and run, no matter what the consequences, they didn't care.
“Ain’t no doubt about it. Using this forum to pimp its YT channels yet won’t contribute to the fundraisers.”
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You know, you really should read an entire post before offering your 2 cents.
These are not my words. They are the words of the founder and operator of this site.
If you have a problem with his definition of the word “glory” or the word “propaganda” I suggest you take it up with him.
Take another look at Jim’s post and let me know what you think.
Respectfully, this is America. Christian America. Our history does not include ‘GLory’ to anyone other than to God. All Glory to God.
Less propaganda would be appreciated.
43 posted on 12/2/2023, 11:36:05 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.)
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To: rellic
My comment #41 was a response to your sentence: “USA’s Biden is hardly at work full time so he enjoys his ill gotten riches, Putin seems to be at work a lot.
So as I said before, where is Biden luxuriating in all this proposed luxury? Where are the enjoyable features of all this wealth he is reported to be getting? Putin makes public appearances which some report are filled by one or more of his doubles. Putin spends time at hi s several mansions far larger than the famous Mar a Lago enjoyed a lot by Biden’s predecessor, while in office and in the present. Does Biden have any 65 foot multi $million yachts to enjoy like many oligarchs? Where is this wealth Biden should be enjoying while he is not on the job 24/7, You are not complaining about this with regard to Putin or President Trump, and at least they have known a recognized pleasure resources. So again what pleasures is Biden enjoying if he is not working 24/7 which other major leaders don’t seem to do?
44 posted on 12/4/2023, 4:33:18 AM by gleeaikin ( Question authority)
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Denys was a pilot for Skyup, a low-cost airline out of Kiev, Ukraine.
According to SalaryExplorer, the HIGH (pay attention, I said HIGH.) monthly salary for a Ukrainian pilot with 20+ years of experience and a Master’s Degree is 65,500 UAH per month which equates to 1785.2468509 USD per month. (2023 figures)
65,500 UAH X 12 = 786,000 UAH
786,000 UAH = 21,422 USD
From the site: Pay Scale Structure
To provide a better understanding of expected salaries, we categorized the frequently occurring salaries into different ranges. This approach provides a more precise representation of salary distribution for the job title Pilot in Ukraine compared to simply calculating the average. The majority of reported salaries, approximately 65%, fall within the range of 23,900 UAH to 34,300 UAH. About 20% of salaries are below the 23,900 UAH mark, while 10% fall within the range of 34,300 UAH to 39,000 UAH. Only 5% of individuals have salaries exceeding 39,000 UAH.
https://www.salaryexplorer.com/average-salary-wage-comparison-ukraine-pilot-c226j80
BroJoeK wrote: “If Davydov’s current income is indeed $218,000 that compares to earnings of a senior airline pilot, which was his pre-war job.
Pilots earn circa $400,000 per year, so if anything, Davydov has taken a pay cut.”
$400.000 a year is a salary for a First World pilot...not a Third World pilot.
To sum it up, Denys makes over $200,000 more per year shilling his propaganda on YouTube than he did as a Uke pilot.
Denys Davydov received medal for his charitable and volunteer work. Can we please stop his character assassination?
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for December 3, 2023…
-.Russian forces continue to make incremental gains along the line of contact including in Marinka, southwest of Donetsk City as well as in Avdeevka outside Donetsk City;
- Ukrainian President Vlodymr Zelensky announces Ukraine is on the defensive, an oblique admission that various Ukrainian offensives have failed and that future offensives are not feasible;
- Continued admissions come from across the West of an inability to ramp up military industrial production and specifically in relation to artillery shell production; ,p. - FPV (first person view) drones are not an adequate replacement for artillery shells, however they have created dilemmas on both sides in regards to anti-access area denial (A2AD) capabilities;
- Because of Ukraine’s ability to acquire even small amounts of artillery shells, FPV drones, and landmines, Russian offensives will require slow, methodical approaches focused on attrition to avoid large numbers of casualties and equipment losses;
- Despite claims that Russia is already suffering such losses because of operations around Avdeevka, pro-Western “Mediazona” shows increased Russian losses, but nowhere near the scale Ukraine’s General Staff are claiming;
Thank you for your post for alternative opinion from
‘The New Atlas.’
IMO Cautionary note to freepers:
always “trust but verify” the content, accuracy, reliability but particularly from this source.
Brian Berletic, aka Tony Cartalucci references of legitimate sourced ‘tidbits’ within his articles. However, without using a balanced geopolitics perspective this creates deceptive “systematic misinformation.”
Berletic, et al, actively posts to:
Activist Post,
New Eastern Outlook,
RUSSIAN INSIDER,
United Pushback,
The Daily Sheeple,
21st Century Wire
Global Research
Land Destroyer Report,
Etc
Gee mommy,
How many medals have grifters like the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens received?
Barack Obama and grifter VP AlGore won the prestigious Nobel Prize.
Would you trust them as far as you could throw them?
You must think America-loving FReepers are idiots.
More BS from the Uke Mafia.
The source for the info on Denys is https://tz.youtubers.me/denys-davydov/youtube-estimated-earnings/en
Youtubers.me is an unbiased site that keeps track of the youtube stats and analytics of all youtube channels.
So according to Denys and you, he gets almost NO income, he pays 50% of what he does make to charities and he needs money to “help his people.”
If Denys wants to truly “help his people” why doesn’t the draft dodger leave his safe haven in Switzerland, head back to Ukraine and enlist in the Uke air force?
And you actually think we believe this crap...(Double face palm)
What’s Denys Cut? 10%?
Was another night of BIG Ukraine Propaganda brought to you by Denys Davydov, the Ukraine Draft Dodger living large in Switzerland. And by Mommy Dearest.
Davydov creates the Propaganda and Mommy Dearest spreads it around like
a bucket of Popcorn.
It’s not news. It’s unverified Propaganda.
Got that right. These people are a detriment to FR.
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