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Evidence the universe might not be expanding - Could we be wrong about everything?
IAI News ^ | 25 Jul, 2023 | Tim Andersen

Posted on 07/26/2023 10:33:46 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: Noumenon

Live in the future, today!


61 posted on 07/26/2023 12:52:09 PM PDT by cephalopod
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To: Thurifer the Censer

“One of the craziest things over these last few crazy years has been watching physics at both ends (subatomic and cosmological) completely fall apart.”

Actually, not.


62 posted on 07/26/2023 12:53:28 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Seruzawa

“Any group that relies on “matter” that cannot be detected except by it’s gravitational effect to make it’s theories work is not a group that can be taken seriously.”

Once we could not detect anything with a frequency above visible light.

We couldn’t detect elementary particles.


63 posted on 07/26/2023 1:06:09 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: MtnClimber

” frequency loss with distance”

There is no frequency loss with distance.


64 posted on 07/26/2023 1:10:06 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Actually yes.

At the subatomic level String Theory is a dead end, we are now in the same place we were 30+ years ago.

On the other end, it looks like we have been wrong about the age of the universe by a factor of 2. Dark Matter theory is falling apart and it looks like there may be something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of gravity.


65 posted on 07/26/2023 1:12:29 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: glennaro

I agree with you that there is too much politics in science, but it wasn’t politics that made string theory implode.


66 posted on 07/26/2023 1:13:57 PM PDT by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: MtnClimber

The universe is expanding rapidly and Dr. Hubble proved in at Mt. Wilson in Los Angeles in 1924 by using the red shift. A static universe is impossible, since expanding is natural. Einstein failed miserably compared to Hubble and the 30 years of letters between Hubble and Einstein reveal Hubble’s kindness and Einstein’s regret. God the Father planned the universe from start to finish one day about fifteen billion years ago, and yes, God the Father is micromanaging and not stuck in coffee shop watching events unfold at a distance. Pray and be virtuous.


67 posted on 07/26/2023 1:21:06 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: MtnClimber

The universe is expanding rapidly and Dr. Hubble proved in at Mt. Wilson in Los Angeles in 1924 by using the red shift. A static universe is impossible, since expanding is natural. Einstein failed miserably compared to Hubble and the 30 years of letters between Hubble and Einstein reveal Hubble’s kindness and Einstein’s regret. God the Father planned the universe from start to finish one day about fifteen billion years ago, and yes, God the Father is micromanaging and not stuck in coffee shop watching events unfold at a distance. Pray and be virtuous.


68 posted on 07/26/2023 1:21:07 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: MtnClimber

How can the universe “expand”? There must be something beyond the expansion line. Is there a man standing at that line with a sign saying, “Stop you can go no further”?


69 posted on 07/26/2023 1:21:25 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: MtnClimber

It’s swirling just like everything else


70 posted on 07/26/2023 1:22:25 PM PDT by Theophilus (flush the alphabet soup!)
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To: Boogieman

Prevailing theory until quantum gravity matures or an actual “graviton” is discovered...


71 posted on 07/26/2023 1:22:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Thurifer the Censer

“At the subatomic level String Theory is a dead end, “

? ST is based on subatomic modeling. Theory is a misnomer. It is a mathematical model still unproven.

“On the other end, it looks like we have been wrong about the age of the universe by a factor of 2.”

Never seen that. Source, please.

“Dark Matter theory is falling apart and it looks like there may be something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of gravity.”

DMT is not falling apart.


72 posted on 07/26/2023 1:26:42 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Dead Corpse

I think gravitons and quantum gravity are both dead ends.


73 posted on 07/26/2023 1:30:44 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Hot Tabasco

“If it’s expanding, what is it expanding into?”

Nothing, apparently.

Imagine you have a spreadsheet. That spreadsheet has 10 rows and 10 columns. From your perspective, working in Excel or whatever, there is nothing (no data) outside of the spreadsheet. If you add more rows and columns (or just increase the width of the existing ones) now you have a bigger spreadsheet. But what did it expand into? From the perspective of the user, it expanded into nothing.

Now from the programmer’s perspective, he may know that the spreadsheet is now using more resources that exist on a storage device. But the user can’t see that. Science is like the user that can never peek outside of the program and see what is happening outside of it. There may be something there, but we can’t detect it.


74 posted on 07/26/2023 1:37:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MtnClimber

No man can serve two theories


75 posted on 07/26/2023 1:43:55 PM PDT by conserv8
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To: TexasGator

30 years of searching is more than enough. Another solution is one they cannot even consider. The gravitational constant isn’t really constant. Nor is the speed of light. They change.


76 posted on 07/26/2023 1:44:44 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: 1Old Pro

“Is the universe flat?”

The prevailing conception is that spacetime is a curved 4 dimensional surface. So imagine a curved 2 dimensional surface, like the outside of a globe, where the 2 dimensional plane wraps around a 3 dimensional shape. Now imagine the 3 dimensional world we know (ignoring time) and then try to imagine that world is similarly curved around some hypothetical 4 dimensional object.

There’s plenty of debate still about exactly what kind of 4-d shape the universe would be wrapped around though. Maybe it’s a hypersphere. Or maybe we’re on the INSIDE of a hypersphere, or maybe it’s a hyperdonut, etc.


77 posted on 07/26/2023 1:47:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MtnClimber; EEGator

Dark energy was proposed to replace Einstein’s “fudge factor”, the cosmological constant, to account for the universe expanding more quickly than it should according to the known forces of the universe. I guess “energy we can’t detect” is more palatable to scientists than just introducing another force.

Dark matter is what is needed to correct for nature (not just the speed) of galactic rotation. It’s an even worse “fudge factor”, since it is basically able to magically appear wherever scientists need it and never where they don’t.


78 posted on 07/26/2023 1:52:43 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Seruzawa

“30 years of searching is more than enough. Another solution is one they cannot even consider. The gravitational constant isn’t really constant. Nor is the speed of light. They change.”

So far, nothing has disproved DMT. The gravitational constant may be incorrect but no explanation has been satisfactory in explaining known observations.

The theory is “The speed of light in a vacuum is constant”.


79 posted on 07/26/2023 1:57:02 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Boogieman

Ok...


80 posted on 07/26/2023 2:00:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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