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Extracting a Clean Fuel From Water – A Groundbreaking Low-Cost Catalyst
Scitech Daily ^ | JULY 20, 2023 | By ARGONNE NATIONAL LABORATORY

Posted on 07/20/2023 7:36:57 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

Process requires Cobalt.

here’s the world’s top sources of Cobalt:

Democratic Republic of Congo. Mine production: 130,000 MT. ...
Russia. Mine production: 8,900 MT. ...
Australia. Mine production: 5,900 MT. ...
Canada. Mine production: 3,900 MT. ...
Philippines. Mine production: 3,800 MT. ...
Cuba. Mine production: 3,800 MT. ...
Papua New Guinea. ...
Madagascar.

And China either owns outright or controls most of the Cobalt mines in the Congo.


21 posted on 07/20/2023 9:05:03 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Red Badger

Cannot be repealed.


22 posted on 07/20/2023 9:14:12 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: wildcard_redneck
B.S.

thats what the junk science greenie idiots push, a large amount returns to water but there is massive loss in the total process, that water is never coming back to earth

23 posted on 07/20/2023 9:34:31 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: Bayard
a huge amount of water is lost forever and NEVER returning. They will exponentially speed up the Earth turning to desert and then blame it on "Climate Change"

..... and tell you "well it turns back to water" and "there's a pandemic, wear a dust mask", and "Feed Brawndo to your crops, it has electrolytes" and people will believe it !

, in fact they will gobble up that crap like candy

24 posted on 07/20/2023 9:46:20 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: KTM rider
"B.S.
thats what the junk science greenie idiots push, a large amount returns to water but there is massive loss in the total process, that water is never coming back to earth."

Do you realize that plants and many bacteria break down water every day?

“photosynthesis, the process by which green plants and certain other organisms transform light energy into chemical energy. During photosynthesis in green plants, light energy is captured and used to convert water, carbon dioxide, and minerals into oxygen and energy-rich organic compounds.”

People who are ignorant should at least try not to expose themselves by commenting in public. Nitwits are not worth my time. Begone.

25 posted on 07/20/2023 9:47:23 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
"Hydrogen hasn’t been used much as a fuel because it leaks out of any container"

and when this hydrogen escapes into the atmosphere, who is going to go collect it and turn it back into water ?

Al Gore ?

Santa Clause ?

26 posted on 07/20/2023 9:51:39 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: KTM rider; Bayard
Morons do not understand that life itself, through photosynthesis, use hydrogen from water to combine hydrogen and carbon into sugars. Right now on this forums morons are using sugars made from hydrogen to power their tiny minds and stubby fingers to spread stupidity like a virus.
27 posted on 07/20/2023 9:53:58 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
you are not thinking it through and are being totally naiive and pretentious to think there will be no hydrogen loss and no loss of total earth water by mass production of hydrogen for fuel

you are being what you are accusing me of , maybe you should get a job with government

28 posted on 07/20/2023 9:55:16 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: ZOOKER

Clean?
Ecologically sustainable?
Low cost?
Using cobalt?
How stupid do they think I am?

%/

Insulting , isn’t it !?

The biggest fly in the green hydrogen fuel scam is

The energy used to keep it liquid
To keep it contained and not leaking out through even metal.

Isn’t cobalt mined by mostly child SLAVE labor ?


29 posted on 07/20/2023 10:02:50 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: KTM rider
"and when this hydrogen escapes into the atmosphere, who is going to go collect it and turn it back into water ?"

There is more free H2 in the atmosphere than CO2 and it is constantly being taken up by soil bacteria and it is reactive enough that it combines with oxygen and other elements in the atmosphere and very rarely reaches escape velocity from the Earth's atmosphere.

Do you know what books and internet search tools are and how to perform basic research for yourself? If you do then it appears that you are just committed to bray like an ignorant jackass and embarrass everyone.

30 posted on 07/20/2023 10:05:16 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: Red Badger

🤔


31 posted on 07/20/2023 10:07:32 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: KTM rider

There you go again flying your moron flag. I am not making the claim that this technology will be efficient enough to enable a hydrogen based economy. What I am saying is that it won’t cause hydrogen being lost from the Earth.

It’s like talking to a wall, a very, very stupid wall.


32 posted on 07/20/2023 10:08:00 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: Red Badger

Interesting, but this will not overcome the laws of thermal dynamics.

The hydrogen fuel cycle is less than 50% efficient, meaning that given 1 unit of electrical power used to create hydrogen, you get less than 50% of the work done with even the most efficient hydrogen fuel technologies. Stated another way, you get less than half the work done as you would have gotten if just using the electricity to run an electric motor directly.

Most all hydrogen generated today is a bi-product of petroleum refining, FYI.

Hydrogen has other big problems, too. It goes boom, boom. Remember the Hindenburg? Hydrogen atoms are so tiny it leaks out of containment vessels very easily. When it mixes with other gasses it becomes highly corrosive, as well.


33 posted on 07/20/2023 10:17:28 AM PDT by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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To: wildcard_redneck
same to you

yes, total earth water is being depleted constantly, the Earth will get old and die.

using Hydrogen for fuel will exponentially speed up the dying process by depleting the earths precious water resource, and producing hydrogen for fuel has no environmental or logical advantage, unlike using oil for fuel.

but you are the smartest wall in the garden and have the Google search bias consensus to back you up ! I am sure Google will confirm that you need a COVID booster shot also

34 posted on 07/20/2023 10:30:32 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: Red Badger

Look at the names of the researchers...

“by Lina Chong, Guoping Gao, Jianguo Wen, Haixia Li, Haiping Xu, Zach Green, Joshua D. Sugar, A. Jeremy Kropf, Wenqian Xu, Xiao-Min Lin, Hui Xu, Lin-Wang Wang and Di-Jia Liu,”


35 posted on 07/20/2023 11:19:13 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Red Badger

“THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS WILL NOT BE REPEALED......”

On the general subject of emissions by our transportation vehicles, why hasn’t electrifying our railroads by overhead wires been seriously considered? They do it a lot in Europe.

We’d get a lot more bang for our buck doing this rather than deploying batteries all over the place.

But I think the idea of replacing fossil fuels is ridiculous.


36 posted on 07/20/2023 12:01:53 PM PDT by cymbeline
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37 posted on 07/20/2023 12:06:52 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: KTM rider

Water converting into H2 and oxygen and burning back into water again does not deplete the water supply.

The problem is net drain in energy to do either conversion.


38 posted on 07/20/2023 12:17:57 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: KTM rider

Sorry, fraidy-cat, compared to the natural and biology processes that produce and consume hydrogen humans splitting water into hydrogen fuel is extremely minuscule and will have zero impact on the amount of hydrogen or water on this planet.

Nuclear fusion however, if we ever mastered, will reduce the amount of heavy hydrogen (deuterium) and thus the amount of heavy water on this planet as it consumes deuterium to form helium.


39 posted on 07/20/2023 12:26:17 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: Bayard

A small amount gets burned in the motor and returns to water , but most of the hydrogen escapes and will never get bonded with oxygen, the water is lost forever


40 posted on 07/20/2023 1:37:14 PM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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