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Procurement Destroys Armies - Requirements, Risks & Development gone wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQVR4epfBQ ^ | 6/18/2023 | Perun

Posted on 06/18/2023 2:27:37 PM PDT by Chode

Long before equipment reaches the front, it must first be ordered, designed, produced and fielded.

This is a process that nations have been going through for centuries. That doesn't mean they're always good at it.

With every year that passes it seems that military equipment becomes more expensive, delivery schedules blow out more, and failures mount.

Sometimes the answer may be corruption - but sometimes it's just a case of mistakes being made and things going wrong.

In this video I want to have a look at some reasons why...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: military; perun; procurement; supply
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1 posted on 06/18/2023 2:27:37 PM PDT by Chode
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Didn’t watch the video yet, but I bet it boils down to poor project management.


2 posted on 06/18/2023 2:31:32 PM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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Poor project management due to profiteering.


3 posted on 06/18/2023 2:35:11 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Sarcazmo

Micromanagement by the customer (government) and moving the goalposts. Idiot regulations too.


4 posted on 06/18/2023 2:35:44 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Chode

Big Guy’s cut figures in...


5 posted on 06/18/2023 2:37:26 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: Chode
In the first Punic War, Carthage built their own ships and manufactured their own army equipment.
In the Second Punic War, Carthage told Hannibal to procure all his own stuff in Europe.
In the Third Punic War, Carthage never bothered to rebuild their army and navy.

I think America is in the Second Punic War.

6 posted on 06/18/2023 2:38:43 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Sarcazmo

‘Didn’t watch the video yet, but I bet it boils down to poor project management.”

FAR WORSE than that. At least poor management is fixable, the problem here is SHEER ARROGANCE of the people who spent their entire lives HATING the military and thus never taking seriously the warnings given to them by the military, such as relying on our two biggest enemies for raw materials and piece parts, and having an industrial base likely now smaller than Shanghai, much less all of China...and not being able to even keep up with Russia, as Russia knew that “The End of History” was NOT here, and that they may well need to ramp up and fight.

For the US, it was about getting Drag Queens and Groomers to the front lines...and so now we pay, BIG TIME.

A simply lesson SHOULD be learned here, but won’t be, which is NOT to start a World War (as we may well be doing), unless you’re actually prepared to fight it.


7 posted on 06/18/2023 2:42:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Tijeras_Slim
War is a cash cow for politicians.

that is why they stoke the fires of war.

and political motivation usually involves some side deal with commodities like Ukraine (ex: Biden/Burisma);(Bush/Sadaam)

8 posted on 06/18/2023 2:45:39 PM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

A large part of the country cannot read.


9 posted on 06/18/2023 2:54:01 PM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: BobL
For the US, it was about getting Drag Queens and Groomers to the front lines...and so now we pay, BIG TIME.

You're right. This isn't the story of a bad apple defense contractor or a corrupt politician, but of a failing culture.

10 posted on 06/18/2023 2:54:05 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Sarcazmo

No. You are wrong. It is due to the world’s greatest project management practiced by the world’s greatest project management specialists and is designed to make sure that nothing is done that deviats from what was stated as the requirements. The problem is that it is horribly expensive and deals poorly with things that go wrong or things that turn out differently than you thought. We have long forgotten how new things are actually developed you know, like Goddard and the rocket or the Wright Brothers, or Kelly Johnson and the SR71 or Elong Musk and the Falcon rocket, or almost anthing else that had to be invented.

It’s managerialism - bureaucracy and control and tracking over getting real work done, testing and experimenting and fixing and prototyping until you have something that works and you can sell.


11 posted on 06/18/2023 3:32:19 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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12 posted on 06/18/2023 3:35:17 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Chode

This is how large organization like the government do things!
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/nasas-new-mission-and-the-cult-of-management-155873900/#:~:text=Working%20for%20NASA%20means%20being%20involved%20in%20the,evident%20as%20one%20ascends%20the%20chain%20of%20command.


13 posted on 06/18/2023 3:37:09 PM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: AndyJackson

Hmmmm.... well, obviously the Gov needs to go Agile then! That’ll be the cure for their rigid requirements problem.


14 posted on 06/18/2023 4:02:25 PM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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Well, there are some efforts, but on the whole the managerialistic bureaucracy resists with everything at their disposal including DEI training.


15 posted on 06/18/2023 4:37:54 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Reily
People joke about highway projects where one guy digs a hole while five others lean on their shovels, watching him work.

Boy is that outmoded. Now you hold endless meetings to figure out how to validate the requirements for the shovle, including the certification plan. Acquiring the shuttle is four project steps off. Establishing the shovling project, training the shovler and using the shovel by the shoveler to accomplish some task belongs to several seperate orgs, acquisition, plans, doctrine, basic training, specialization training, shovel technical school, and operations.

16 posted on 06/18/2023 4:43:55 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Sounds like you’ve been there!
As I have.


17 posted on 06/18/2023 4:47:52 PM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Chode
Here's the problem in the US. Managers strive to achieve the milestones along the top. Everybody else has their own rice bowl below that. It the latest easily linkable version I could find. The latest is 2020.


18 posted on 06/18/2023 5:50:34 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: BobL
On a related note, John Garand was Canadian born and came to the U.S. when he was 11. He had to learn English. He was 31 when he built the prototype for a light machine gun, became a citizen a year later, and patented the M-1 Garand twelve years after that.

Some of our best procurement came from foreigners.

19 posted on 06/18/2023 6:08:54 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: All

yer ALL right...


20 posted on 06/18/2023 6:28:43 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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