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Researchers develop new germanium-tin transistor as alternative to silicon
Tech Explore ^ | 27 April 2023 | by Forschungszentrum Juelich

Posted on 04/27/2023 12:30:22 PM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 04/27/2023 12:30:22 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: ShadowAce

Tech Ping!....................


2 posted on 04/27/2023 12:30:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

I believe the next generation of circuits will be optical in there basic nature. We already have optical switches but the current design is far larger than current electrical chips.


3 posted on 04/27/2023 12:37:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Red Badger
What is old is new again. Germanium tranistors dominated into the mid 1960s.


4 posted on 04/27/2023 12:41:56 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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One good thing about germanium is it’s lower forward bias voltage drop is less than silicon’s by about half.


5 posted on 04/27/2023 12:43:36 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Germanium vs Silicon transistors in fuzz-tone pedals has been a long-running debate among guitar players:

“Quick Summary: Germanium fuzz is less harsh, more expensive and gives a vintage sound. Silicon fuzz is harsher with more gain. Silicon fuzz pedals are usually cheaper and easy to mass produce in today’s market because most use modern low cost transistors.

So, this MAY be good news for guitar players! :-D


6 posted on 04/27/2023 12:53:50 PM PDT by Psychedelic-Surrealist Artist
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To: Red Badger
Germanium's abundance in the Earth's crust is approximately 1.6 ppm.

The coal deposits near Xilinhaote, Inner Mongolia, contain an estimated 1600 tonnes of germanium.

IOW, Red China has the largest deposits.

7 posted on 04/27/2023 12:55:07 PM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: Psychedelic-Surrealist Artist

The difference is probably the Germanium’s lower forward bias voltage drop. Or that it probably creates less harmonic distortion than silicon...........................


8 posted on 04/27/2023 1:00:05 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Geranium Valley
(Yeah, I know the spelling is different)
But I think that’s how it would go...


9 posted on 04/27/2023 1:01:57 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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Ahh yes, I do remember that from my days of working mesh equations. Never forgot. About 0.2 volts Vbe for germanium, and abut 0.6 to 0.7 volts for silicon. Might not seem like much, but in high power applications it was important,

Ironically for years the only place you could find germanium was in small signal diodes like the ubiquitous 1N25, and in very high power transmission line rectifiers used by the power companies (where the lower Vbe was significant).

10 posted on 04/27/2023 1:22:06 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

yup


11 posted on 04/27/2023 1:22:24 PM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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To: Red Badger

And how much does an eight inch platter of germanium cost?


12 posted on 04/27/2023 2:28:54 PM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Red Badger

this would have been nice forty years ago

today
not so much


13 posted on 04/27/2023 2:29:47 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Red Badger

This is the site in Germany performing the research.

https://www.fz-juelich.de/en


14 posted on 04/27/2023 2:35:59 PM PDT by fretzer
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That small voltage drop is very useful when making crystal radios, or any small signal front end.


15 posted on 04/27/2023 3:01:27 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Psychedelic-Surrealist Artist
> Germanium vs Silicon transistors in fuzz-tone pedals has been a long-running debate among guitar players: “Quick Summary: Germanium fuzz is less harsh, more expensive and gives a vintage sound. Silicon fuzz is harsher with more gain. Silicon fuzz pedals are usually cheaper and easy to mass produce in today’s market because most use modern low cost transistors. So, this MAY be good news for guitar players! :-D

The original 60's fuzz pedals (notably the Gibson Fuzz-Tone and the Arbiter Fuzz-Face) used Germanium transistors, and modern builds of those classic circuits still do. Silicon simply does not behave or sound right in those simple circuits. I have a Fuzz-Face that is the best distort pedal I've owned in 60 years of guitar playing. Three Ge transistors, maybe a half-dozen passive components. Simple and beautiful.

More complex circuits benefit from silicon because they typically work with boosted signals, or they're using IC op-amps instead of discrete transistors. But you pay a price in increased noise and diminished clarity.

There's one big problem with Ge-based pedals, though. They misbehave when they get hot, whether in the studio or onstage. The transistors' bias changes as the leakage currents drift, and the pedal gets choppy and can stop working altogether (e.g. read the history of Hendrix and the Fuzz-Face). I learned when playing outdoors to shield my pedal from direct sunlight. But if you manage the temperature, Ge pedals are the best.

Ge transistors will never disappear as long as guitarists are around!

16 posted on 04/27/2023 6:55:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1061511/us-germanium-price/


17 posted on 04/28/2023 5:14:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger; Psychedelic-Surrealist Artist

Guitar players love distortion, it just has to be the right kind of distortion.


18 posted on 04/28/2023 5:22:10 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Soros on assisting the Nazis with the Holocaust: "That's when my character was made.")
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To: Fresh Wind

True, that is how ‘fuzz’ started in the first place, with an amp that had a bad tube......................


19 posted on 04/28/2023 5:26:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: dayglored

You are absolutely right about temperature problems with GE transistors. I had an old portable record player I used to take to record shows to sample the wares. If it sat too long in a hot car, the output dropped to near zero.

A while back, I repaired a vintage germanium-based Japanese fuzz box which had a bad power switch and some wiring problems.

I could never figure out how the thing worked, but what it did was introduce a spike into the waveform (it was not a simple clipper). When fed with a sine wave, the spike only appeared on the downward slope, about 1/3 down from the peak. The eventual buyer described the sound as “fabulous”.


20 posted on 04/28/2023 5:40:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Soros on assisting the Nazis with the Holocaust: "That's when my character was made.")
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