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Why hypersonic weapons change everything (They can sink ALL of the U.S. aircraft carriers, all at once)
TrendCompass ^ | 3/22/23 | Alex Krainer

Posted on 03/23/2023 11:15:28 AM PDT by Duke C.

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To: Vermont Lt

Ground clutter. Airborne radar has an altitude ‘floor’ it can see through only with difficulty if at all.


21 posted on 03/23/2023 11:33:48 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rednesss

There’s nowhere to put more than the installations we already have on the destroyers we’ve got. In fact, we built about a decade or so of destroyers with the forward CIWS mount deleted. Because we’re idiots.


22 posted on 03/23/2023 11:35:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Duke C.

The Kinzhal is currently being used up in the Ukraine war against civilian targets.

Unless your admiral is privy to US Navy weapons and radars specifications, he’s talking through his hat. And he basically takes Russian mil-prop and assumes it works, and that they have any remaining. To make more they need the West to lift sanctions.

When country is scraping the bottom of the tank barrel with T-54/55s, it does not say much for the rest of their dwindling arsenal.


23 posted on 03/23/2023 11:35:19 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: CodeToad

Everybody knows that battleships can never be sunk by aircraft. Battleships have dozens of AA guns that will shoot down any threat. Everybody knows this.

And paradigms never shift, and we are ten years ahead of our enemies, and because God is on our side, we will always win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_Prince_of_Wales_and_Repulse


24 posted on 03/23/2023 11:35:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Duke C.
Hypersonic, Sub Orbital and Orbital Technology is well advanced, and will eventually deliver the ability to destroy any aircraft carrier, carrier group, surface ship, and eventually submarines, within minutes of a nation's decision to go to war.

How close we are to this point in time is a subject of opinion.

25 posted on 03/23/2023 11:36:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: BenLurkin

Then you should not have said what you did in your first post on this.

Thank you for the clarification.

No one should trust the lives of over 5,000 crew on a carrier with arrogant assumptions.


26 posted on 03/23/2023 11:37:11 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Duke C.
Aircraft carriers are good for "force projection" (bullying pre-industrial malefactors), but not against a major power.

Don't even need hypersonics, just lots of ballistic missiles. But with hypersonics you can take them out in port without collateral damage.

This isn't WWII.

27 posted on 03/23/2023 11:38:54 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: laplata

> Never, never, underestimate any enemy. <

The West has always underestimated Asian powers. And that never went well. A prime example of that is the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 and 1905. Little upstart Japan knocked the snot out of Imperial Russia.

Oops. Maybe I shouldn’t have said “And that never went well.” The West did win the Opium Wars (something that angers China to this day).


28 posted on 03/23/2023 11:39:07 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Vermont Lt

No one should trust the lives of over 5,000 crew on a carrier with arrogant assumptions.

To assume they are detectable with no seconds to spare is dangerous.


29 posted on 03/23/2023 11:39:17 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: PGR88

Kinetic energy at these and higher velocities is a stone cold b*tch. Once a mach-15 projectile hits something solid, it basically converts to energy. Depending on design, it can be an all devouring lance of plasma.

Even at slower speeds, KE can get you amazing bunker busting. Look at the GBU-28 for a very old example of how that works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28


30 posted on 03/23/2023 11:39:43 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Renfrew

Yesterday I watched footage hours old of a million dollar HIMARS that destroyed a retired couple’s home, blowing off the leg of his poor wife. Doubt she’s still alive. Our money well spent, hey Renfrew?


31 posted on 03/23/2023 11:40:00 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Duke C.
How are they going to hit moving ships if they can't even hit stationary targets in Ukraine? The Russian missile guidance systems are pieced together from integrated circuits made by US vendors for other purposes and smuggled in to Russia.

So far the supposedly unstoppable Russian military hasn't managed to defeat Ukraine, which until recently was not considered even a top 10 military power in the world.

32 posted on 03/23/2023 11:40:19 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Renfrew

I’m glad you’re not responsible for the lives of any of our troops.


33 posted on 03/23/2023 11:41:41 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Duke C.

Alex Krainer is the author of Grand Deception: The Truth about Bill Browder, the Magnitsky Act, and Anti-Russian Sanctions


34 posted on 03/23/2023 11:41:46 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Dogbert41

Very good post.


35 posted on 03/23/2023 11:42:04 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: laplata

I am confident that our folks at Cal and MIT have been working on this for years.

I cannot imagine the military leadership sitting on their asses, wringing their hands about how these smart Russians beat us.

When assessing risks you cannot assume that there is no countering action. I see that mistake made on FR all the time. Just because the countermeasures aren’t found on Yahoo News, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.


36 posted on 03/23/2023 11:43:11 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Leaning Right

👍


37 posted on 03/23/2023 11:43:14 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Vermont Lt

You’d fit right in with the 1945 Germans, thinking that wunderweapons are going to be deployed soon, saving them from the Russians and Americans who are advancing daily.

Hate to tell you, but NO, they haven’t as those programs were all cancelled.


38 posted on 03/23/2023 11:46:34 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I would think there would be a wee bit of real estate on the side of an aircraft carrier that’s a 1,000’ long.


39 posted on 03/23/2023 11:47:23 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power )
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To: Duke C.

“They can sink ALL of the U.S. aircraft carriers, all at once”

Until they’ve actually been battle-tested, nobody can say whether such a claim will turn out to be true or not.


40 posted on 03/23/2023 11:47:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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