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2 dead, 11 injured after truck hits group of bicyclists in Goodyear (Arizona)
Fox 10 - Phoenix ^ | 25 February | May Phan

Posted on 02/25/2023 1:40:39 PM PST by PghBaldy

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To: RoosterRedux

“ old bikers hogging the roads”


41 posted on 02/25/2023 4:01:50 PM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: RoosterRedux

There are two lengthy trails here for bikers and pedestrians (Belt Line in the city, Silver Comet Trail in an old railbed outside of town). The Silver Comet is 95 miles long - all the way from Smyrna GA to Anniston AL (it becomes the Chief Latiga Trail when it enters AL). You have to pack your bikes to a trailhead, but after that you’re not contending with motor vehicles — just hilarious “Baby Cop” electric police cars (really just dolled up golf carts). There is a problem with crime on the trails in some segments, esp. for women - you have to always travel in a group, there have been rapes and at least two murders of women riding alone.


42 posted on 02/25/2023 4:19:29 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: fireman15
Your experience is unfortunate - and very sad - but not in my experience typical.

I was a very amateur road biker when I was in my 20s - so I don't hate cyclists. But around here there are plenty of young ones who act like they own the road. When you are trying to get somewhere and 15-20 guys in neon spandex are biking leisurely along blocking the entire lane (and sometimes the oncoming one as well), being verbally abusive to drivers and just generally being a pain, I understand why people get frustrated. They shouldn't take it out on random cyclists, that's clearly wrong -- but it is also wrong to ignore the traffic laws and endanger oneself and others, and be rude about it to boot.

See my other post. There's your specific personal experience. I could probably find the exact date because I have a copy of the police report somewhere.

At this point it's a chicken-and-egg situation - rude bikers make hostile drivers who make more rude bikers and the occasional homicidal driver.

Everyone. Needs. To. Stop. Including the bikers.

43 posted on 02/25/2023 4:31:51 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: libh8er

“Bicyclists on city streets are a nuisance.” Surely, you jest. Bicyclists are easy to go around in a car.


44 posted on 02/25/2023 5:02:39 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: caltaxed

“Mountain biking is a much safer activity where the obstacles are mostly stationary.”

Except mountain lions.


45 posted on 02/25/2023 5:06:50 PM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Falconspeed

Anything traveling the roadways at much less than the posted speed limit is in danger .


46 posted on 02/25/2023 5:23:37 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: AnAmericanMother

When I used to go to the office every day, I took a 2-lane road that had a bike lane on the shoulder. This road was weird…it’s very old and in an area that used to be way outside of town “in the desert,” but is now pretty much in the middle of Scottsdale, and it’s got these up and down little rollercoaster hills just tall enough that you can’t see oncoming traffic. Twice a day on that road, I would encounter cyclists riding 2-3 abreast into the car lane, and you would come up on them on these blind hills and they would refuse to move into their bike lane. It got so bad that I started taking the longer route on the road that didn’t have a “bike lane.” Just rude and arrogant. Whatever happened to old guys staying on the golf course Instead of playing in traffic?


47 posted on 02/25/2023 5:31:22 PM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: 1FreeAmerican

When they are looking at their phone...


48 posted on 02/25/2023 5:33:14 PM PST by databoss
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To: AnAmericanMother

It’s sad…some of the “rails to trails” bike routes they have in FLorida are great from a cycling point of view, but very dangerous, particularly for women.

These trails run along the routes of old, no longer used railroad tracks. But unfortunately the “wrong side of the tracks” is still there in some areas, and you have to be very careful in those areas. Pedal fast…


49 posted on 02/25/2023 5:55:15 PM PST by livius
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To: RoosterRedux

It’s dangerous to ride on streets because most people drive with their eyes glued to their phones.


50 posted on 02/25/2023 7:50:22 PM PST by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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To: AnAmericanMother
At this point it's a chicken-and-egg situation - rude bikers make hostile drivers who make more rude bikers and the occasional homicidal driver.

We don't live in a big city and don't see a lot of cyclists on the roads near where we live. The ones we do see are typically over 50 and not holding up traffic or being rude in any way. Yet we have many people in this area who hate bicyclists any way.

If you are the type of person who can't let go of a grudge likely formed long ago against people for other people's actions... then congratulations there is a lot of likeminded people who post here frequently, and you should feel very welcome here.

51 posted on 02/25/2023 8:02:55 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Pathetic?

Because the large percentage of crass cyclist have sullied the perception of all cyclists or that that people have been swayed to that perception by common cyclist behavior?

52 posted on 02/25/2023 8:20:08 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: RoosterRedux
"1 in 4 Americans are diagnosed with mental illness

And the other 3 haven't been diagnosed...yet.;-)"

That's the sick mindset of greedy shrinks.

53 posted on 02/25/2023 8:24:45 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: fella
I suggest 4 out of 4 human beings are insane (particularly psychiatrists). Except for you and me of course.;-)

The Bible calls that "broken" or "fallen."

54 posted on 02/26/2023 2:05:51 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: PghBaldy

Goodyear Police say 26-year-old Pedro Quintana-Lujan was arrested and booked on Saturday. https://www.azfamily.com/2023/02/26/man-arrested-after-hitting-multiple-cyclists-goodyear-highway-saturday-morning/


55 posted on 02/26/2023 1:24:45 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14/12 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15/12 - 1030am - Obama team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: fireman15
As I said, I understand your situation is different, but doesn't seem to occur here. That doesn't make other people's experiences invalid or false.

I tried to explain that I have no grudge against cyclists, was a very active cyclist myself when younger . . . and certainly some drivers are idiots and even criminal. But the wrong is not all on one side.

As for "likely formed long ago" - tu quoque. The last time I encountered dangerous cyclists in significant numbers was near the end of December 2022. I was westbound on a narrow road, Mt. Paran, when I met 10-12 younger male cyclists occupying the entire eastbound lane, including one or two riding along the center line. Extremely dangerous as this is a busy road as well as an old "drover road" that follows a ridge, with very tight curves and short sight lines, and a very high crown. Traffic was backed up for at least half a mile behind them, they were apparently oblivious and did not take single file or pull over to allow traffic to clear. Fortunately nobody gunned it around them, because they could have hit oncoming traffic (including me).

I don't understand their attitude - they seem completely unaware of others, even though it could directly affect their safety.

56 posted on 02/26/2023 5:37:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: livius

It’s like I told my daughter when she went off to college: 1. Travel in a pack. 2. Nothing good happens after midnight.


57 posted on 02/26/2023 5:39:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: ponygirl

That’s the problem we’re dealing with here — areas that used to be rural or very, very quiet suburban have all had a bunch of development, and the roads haven’t kept up. Add to that the popularity of cycling . . . a bad combination.


58 posted on 02/26/2023 5:44:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: RoosterRedux
I tried to tag along once at the very end. That lasted for about an eighth of a mile (at best). And I was in great shape.

Good on ya for trying! I wouldn't have been in it at all, even 30 years ago. Now if I'd had a horse . . . .

59 posted on 02/26/2023 5:47:18 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: old curmudgeon
Sun. Bikers will ride into the sun morning and night. When they are riding into the sun, cars coming from behind them are blinded, sometimes totally. Biker gets hit from behind and everyone blames the driver.

You are correct about the sun blindness. It can be very dangerous. Early morning and late afternoon can be very dangerous, while driving or biking into the sun.

60 posted on 02/26/2023 5:51:15 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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