Posted on 02/08/2023 10:12:23 AM PST by Jamestown1630
“Jacques not Jacque. Sheesh. I need some coffee!”
French Roast, even!
Heheh. That would work.
welcome... i just learned about it last year
comes in handy sometimes
I suspect that in this field, like all fields, there is a certain degree of diplomacy.
Even Vallee occasionally appears to speak respectfully of people that I personally think are frauds or blowhards.
(And he sometimes evinces a very elegant manner of evading the discussion of something. In the video I posted, he was asked his opinion of Bob Lazar. He said he would prefer to not discuss Bob Lazar...:-)
Why are you so sure they are ‘beings’?
When you have a nightmare, do you assume the thing chasing you is a ‘being’?
They may not be brings but they are presenting a facade in the appearance/form of beings.
Have you read much on this subject?
Beings not brings...damn autocorrect.
I’ve been reading on it for about 60 years.
If you immerse yourself in the accounts of these ‘encounters’, decades and even centuries! of them, many of them have a DEFINITE dreamlike quality.
I think most are probably closely related to dreams - another example of Vallee’s ‘control system’, which he has likened to a kind of ‘thermostat’.
And Carl Jung has said that dreams, even if we don’t understand them at all {I suspect even if we don’t recall them} are still doing their important ‘work’ inside of us.
Well, using noise cancelling earphones might help. His English is, again, excellent; the accent is only slight. (He has lived in the US for most of his life.) And you don’t really need to hear the interviewer.
(My apologies if you may have a hearing impediment.)
I have to correct my post 16. I think it was the Baca boy, not Padilla, who grew up and moved in circles where he would come into contact with Dixie Lee Ray.
I've read nearly everything Jung has ever written and his bios. Fascinating person.
I've got "The Red Book" on Kindle but haven't finished it. Recommend it to all Jung fans.
Mack and researchers (Garry Nolan of Stanford Medical most recently) studying the UFO phenomenon from the scientific angle have dismissed the idea that abduction accounts are hallucinations during hypnagogic or hypnopompic dream states, though there is a clear connection between them.
As an aside, after he died, Jung's friends admitted that he was deeply fascinated by the UFO subject but didn't want to publically discuss it because he thought it would detract from his work and legacy. He was probably correct about that.
I don’t need earphones ... his English pronunciation is terrible.
Do not reply, please.
“This website has links to a lot of information about trace cases ...”
Interesting site. That’s a lot of incidents and a lot of reporting.
Today’s world is filled with cameras. More detailed pictures of the spacecraft or their occupants are bound to come if those things truly exist.
I read Jung’s UFO book years ago, but don’t recall much about it. I don’t see this as ‘hallucination’ but a different kind of psychological phenomenon, even a function.
But I think we’ve definitely experienced a certain kind of ‘mass hypnosis’ - Roswell is proof of that to me. Happening when it did is probably the reason for the initial ‘Flying Saucer’ story; it was convenient distraction to cover something that was very secret at the time, and Arnold had already created a sensation just a couple of weeks before and which had led to hundreds of similar so-called ‘sightings’ .
It’s possible that the people at the Army Air Force base itself didn’t even know the full extent of Project Mogul at first.
My experience is that when when seeing something really surprising, especially if it seems very illogical, people often don’t even think of taking a picture. I’m sure some do, but for a lot of people the mind just doesn’t go there.
What was the Trinity incident? Only thing on google I could find is about the Trinity nuclear test
Trinity is the name of the book Vallee published about it. The incident itself took place in San Antonio, NM, about 28 miles from the bomb test site.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58042445-trinity
Vallee’s book is about a UFO that landed adjacent to the Trinity nuclear test site in 1945—the UFO landing and retrieval by .gov is the Trinity “incident”.
https://www.amazon.com/Trinity-Best-Kept-Secret-Jacques-Vall%C3%A9e/dp/166711364X
It is the first known “crash retrieval” that is the subject of the Wilson/Davis memo and hopefully will be the subject of Congressional investigation later this year.
For a deep dive on this subject here is an excellent discussion—the pdf file is over 300 pages:
https://omega-point.medium.com/loose-threads-af8f652ee8cb
I think some of the people involved in the ‘Trinity’ story were actually harmed by the bomb test - I think it was one of the boys and one of their mothers (?)
Thanks
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