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Misreading Ulysses
The Paris Review ^ | 12/7/22 | Sally Rooney

Posted on 12/09/2022 2:12:50 PM PST by Borges

In 1923, the year after James Joyce’s novel Ulysses was first published in its complete form, T. S. Eliot wrote: “I hold this book to be the most important expression which the present age has found; it is a book to which we are all indebted, and from which none of us can escape.” Although Ulysses was not yet widely available at the time—its initial print runs were minuscule and it would be banned repeatedly by censorship boards—Eliot was writing in defense of a novel already broadly disparaged as immoral, obscene, formless, and chaotic. His friend Virginia Woolf had described it in her diary as “an illiterate, underbred book … the book of a self-taught working man, & we all know how distressing they are.” In comparison, Eliot’s praise is triumphal. “A book to which we are all indebted, and from which none of us can escape.” And yet this proposed relationship between Ulysses and its readers may not seem altogether inviting either. Do we really want to read a novel in order to experience the sensation of inescapable debt? In the century since its publication, Ulysses has of course become a monument not only of modernist literature but of the novel itself. But it’s also a notoriously “difficult” book. Among all English-language novels, there may be no greater gulf between how much a work is celebrated and discussed, and how seldom it is actually read.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: itscrap; jamesjoyce; lousybook; tseliot; ulysses; virginiawoolf
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1 posted on 12/09/2022 2:12:50 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

I agree that it is unreadable. How many other classics are also that way? Zemyaitin “We” ?


2 posted on 12/09/2022 2:22:22 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

It’s wonderful. One of my favorite books in the world.


3 posted on 12/09/2022 2:24:04 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Did Eliot keep or change his opinion after he became a Christian?


4 posted on 12/09/2022 2:25:07 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Borges

I waded through all but the last 80 or so pages of that crap in a summer univ course in 1968.

Never went back to finish it and never will.


5 posted on 12/09/2022 2:27:55 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: chajin

He was always a Christian. What bearing would that have?


6 posted on 12/09/2022 2:31:47 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
… a novel already broadly disparaged as immoral, obscene, formless, and chaotic.

I can confirm the “formless and chaotic” and would add “unreadable”. I didn’t get far enough into it to comment on the “immoral, obscene”.

7 posted on 12/09/2022 2:32:17 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: InterceptPoint

It’s fascinating how people react so differently. I found it hilarious and very moving.


8 posted on 12/09/2022 2:36:20 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

It’s wonderful. One of my favorite books in the world.
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Well it’s not going to get a lot of positive votes here at good old FR. What is the attraction for you? Or was that sarcasm?


9 posted on 12/09/2022 2:36:27 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’m not sure why that would be a distinction. There are a number of big fans here that I recall. The attraction is how teeming with life it is. How many different human experiences are dissected. And the sheer grandeur of it.


10 posted on 12/09/2022 2:37:45 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

bump for later


11 posted on 12/09/2022 2:37:47 PM PST by GOPJ (Has Biden had dinner with an "anti-evangelical"? Will Schumer condemn him if he has?)
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To: robowombat
Zemyaitin “We” ?

"We" was an easy book, and unusually short for a famous Russian work. I knocked it off in my spare time in 9th grade. The COVID shots reminded me of the end. I would hate to think what the STD situation was there.
12 posted on 12/09/2022 2:39:12 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: robowombat
I agree that it is unreadable.

I found "Moby Dick" unreadable, B-O-R-I-N-G.

Also, anything by Stoppard.
13 posted on 12/09/2022 2:41:20 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: Borges

It’s not that good. All hype. The Citizen Kane of books.


14 posted on 12/09/2022 2:47:26 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Borges

I also was forced to read Ulysses in a college literature 101 class. In order to read the epic novel, one must first be prepared to be extremely bored (think about what it’s like to sit in a prison cell with nothing to do for a month).

One grateful event the class did do for me was to introduce me to a true masterpiece called Trinity by Leon Uris. If you ever want to know the real Ireland at it’s core, read Trinity.


15 posted on 12/09/2022 2:50:02 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: DesertRhino

Citizen Kane is good.


16 posted on 12/09/2022 2:50:07 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Borges

Molly’s life affirming Yes. Edited just a bit but I do love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_aZ6djNkM


17 posted on 12/09/2022 2:50:33 PM PST by freefdny
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To: Borges

I need to read it. I love James Joyce’s works. Spent a wee in Dublin studying literature Didn’t get to Ulysses. Our instructor recommended it.


18 posted on 12/09/2022 2:50:45 PM PST by stanne
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To: Borges

I read about 2/3 of this the other day. Thanks for reminding me to finish it.


19 posted on 12/09/2022 2:51:30 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Even “Shakespeare in Love”


20 posted on 12/09/2022 2:52:10 PM PST by Borges
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