Straight Calls 2 - No chance of negotiations in Ukraine [TRANSCRIPT and link to 17 minute video, interview with Colonel MacGregor]

YOUTUBE.com ^ | November 4, 2022 | Clayton Morris, Colonel MacGregor

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Interviewer Clayton Morris: Well the

Western media, in particular The

Washington Post, today calling these

strikes on Ukraine overnight and into

this afternoon a ‘turning point’ in the war and I

couldn't help, when I saw that, wondering.

I couldn't wait to ask you this question,

you know, is that a rhetorical device

designed to elicit some sort of

emotional response that the tide is

turning the sea is changing now? Are we

truly at a turning point, and if so which

way is this thing turning?

 

Colonel MacGregor: I think it's a turning point of sorts

perhaps not quite what the Washington

Post is suggesting, which I think may be

something else, but let's talk a little

bit about this conflict which has

evolved considerably over the last seven

months.

 

Conflicts are not static. War is an

ever-changing sea if you will,

and for the last seven months, even

though people in the west will never

ever admit it, the truth is that President

Putin has exercised enormous

restraint with regard to the use of his

military power.

 

We’ve never seen more than 20 percent of 

the Russian Ground Force in Ukraine, and

most of the regular Russian Ground Force

was subsequently withdrawn after the

first four months during which the

Ukrainian Army that we built over

several years was largely destroyed.

 

What you have in Ukraine now are is a mix of

various volunteer organizations militias,

some Allied Forces like the Chechens

kubon Cossack volunteer organizations.

They've turned out to be very good fighters.

Plus uh the Wagner mercenary group. It's also

turned out to be very effective on the ground.

 

But the real Russian army with its 

combat forces has largely pulled out of

the fight. I thought they would come back

in in August, but apparently the decision

was made not to do that, and what's

happened now I think in the Kremlin is

that Mr Putin and his advisor says have

all concluded there's no chance of

negotiating an end to this conflict.

 

I think he really clung to that hope even

in the middle of April when it was

clear that we in London would not permit

Solenski and Keefe to make any sort of a

compromise to accept neutrality for

instance off the table,

so now we're dealing with a different

Russia and what you saw yesterday

in three waves were 202 missiles and

loitering munitions attacking specific

targets all over Ukraine. This is

something that they've always been able

to do.

 

They have the precision guided

munitions and missiles just as we do.

This time they not only hit so-called

critical infrastructure, they also hit

the secret police headquarters of the

Ukrainian state which is a notorious

organization engaged in murdering people

and forcing people into uh enemy gunfire

at gunpoint, recruiting at gunpoint.

 

But they also hit a number of analysts’ cells,

places where people are putting together

 intelligence pictures. In other words they've

signaled that there's nothing happening in Western

Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about,

and they've also said there's nothing

over there they can't reach and destroy.

 

So I think we're seeing a glimpse of

what's going to happen later on this

fall which I predict will be major

offensives on the ground once

the soil freezes. That's coming, and this

will be much closer to what a lot of us

thought would happen at the very

beginning, massive offensives designed to

utterly annihilate what remains of the

Ukrainian Armed Forces.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: The Western

media is trying to paint these Russian airstrikes,

these attacks as inconsequential, that

they're not really hurting Ukraine. I've

heard this from a few propaganda

mainstream media outlets over the past

24 hours and I'm just going through the

laundry list of of targets. I mean, hitting polish

forces that were amassed

and ready to invade Russia proper,

hitting NATO targets, hitting as you mentioned,

the SBU, hitting thermal power plants.

There are people who are fleeing

Ukraine in droves right now, because they

have no fresh water, they have no running

water, they have no electricity, they have

no Internet,

 

So the Western media says

these attacks were inconsequential,

Ukraine's fine. What do you say to that?

 

Colonel MacGregor:

President Biden apparently felt

compelled to call, or at least his

handlers felt compelled to have

President Biden call, Mr Zelensky,

reassure him that we will continue to

supply him, that we back him, there will

be no change.

 

And at the same time Mr Zelensky

pleaded for more air defense systems

because the Russian attacks also

destroyed 80 percent of Ukrainian air

defenses. So if someone is suggesting

this was not consequential, we have to

look at those developments and we

rapidly conclude - no, that's wrong.

 

Mr Zelensky is in a panic unquestionably.

They've got serious logistical problems

moving things around in the country.

Suddenly Russia has decided enough is

enough we're not going to exercise the

restraint we have in the past.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris:

Talking about the air defense system

Specifically, Ukrainian president

Zelensky, as you mentioned, just asked

for more weapons, just asked for,

specifically, air defense weapons. The U.S

appears to be going along with it. The

United States throwing their support,

happy always to supply weapons wherever

they are needed.

 

What will this do for Ukraine air defense

systems? Explain how those would work,

and who would man them. Are they unmanned?

With these you would, these would

be NATO soldiers, Ukrainian soldiers who

would be manning these air defense

systems.

 

Colonel MacGregor: Well keep in mind that the

so-called Highmar system, which is this

High Mobility rocket system, is largely

manned by so-called contractors.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris:  Right.

 

Colonel MacGregor:  

Presumably. that's uh that consists of

Americans in civilian clothes uh working

on contract for the Ukrainian government

via some other mechanism that we've

created. Could also be Europeans, but

these systems take a long time to learn

how to operate let alone maintain.

 

Now something called NASANS, which is a

surface to surface, and surface to air

missile system, designed to protect point

targets, with a very complex radar

system, one of the best in the world, was

in Kyev, and it's being destroyed. The way

you overwhelm point air defense systems

is that you launch lots of missiles and

rockets and eventually you're going to

overwhelm any system regardless of how

good it is. That's what the Russians did

in this operation; they targeted air

defense sites and overwhelmed them.

 

So, yes, Mr Zelensky wants more of these, but

then he's also got to have contractors

operate them because his soldiers are

not trained to do it.

 

Interviewer: So where do NATO

forces play in the rest of this?

Now as we talk about this

turning point, this decimation of the

Ukrainian military, I've heard you

Know, you talk about this before but

you're eliminating their best

soldiers. Who, whatever is left of the

Ukrainian military as they're being

drawn out; they're being eliminated.

To replace them is not easy and

arguably, I guess, you're replacing them

with NATO soldiers or contractors.

Who is, who's going to fill the,

um you know, who's going to man, who's

gonna man the ship once the rest of

the Ukrainian Army is destroyed?

 

Colonel MacGregor: Well the

people engaged in direct fire combat on

the ground are Ukrainians. Now there are

reports of large numbers of Polish

soldiers in Ukrainian uniform making up

for losses that occurred over the last

few months, because as you point out most

of Ukrainians best forces are gone;

they've been killed or wounded.

 

Ukrainians have lost roughly a hundred

thousand dead, perhaps two three even

four hundred thousand wounded. They

started out with an army of six hundred

thousand. Remember we spent eight years

building this army up with the express

purpose of attacking Russia. That's what

it was designed to do. That's why the

Russians attacked it, and ultimately we

wanted to put missiles into Eastern

Ukraine with which we could threaten

Russia.

 

So again eastern Ukraine had to

be neutralized, and that's why the

Russians intervene, but the Russians, as I

pointed out earlier, have always

exercised great restraint because, first

of all, this is another Slavic country,

another Orthodox Christian Slavic

country. They're not interested in

killing large numbers of people.

 

They didn't want to destroy a lot of

infrastructure. The areas where Russian

forces are sitting in Southern and

Eastern Ukraine were already Russian;

they simply wanted to guarantee equal

rights for the Russians in Ukraine with

other Ukrainian citizens. That was the

point of the Minsk agreements which were never

honored.

 

So the bottom line is, at this

point, you're looking at cannon fodder,

people without much training being

rounded up, put into uniform, handed an

AK-47,  put behind machine guns, whatever

else, put into tanks and armored fighting

vehicles. Do they get training? Some have

had good training, but the vast majority

haven't had much so the casualties have

been very high.

 

But once you move above

the tactical level, and you move up to

what we would call division or core

levels, you find NATO staffs are actually

running the show. In other words people

from France, Great Britain, United States,

other countries are doing this, the

systematic planning and setting

forth prop… you know proposals for what

should happen next.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: Right

 

Colonel MacGregor: There's a lot

of evidence that the Ukrainian president

has not taken our advice very well, and

he's determined to attack attack attack

attack, largely because I think he sees himself

in a position where he has everything to

lose and not much more to gain. So he's…

he thinks he can wear down the Russians.

 

The problem is for every one Russian

killed or wounded, you have five six or seven

Ukrainians being killed or wounded.

 

So for the Russians they've economized. They've run

a fairly cheap inexpensive defense while

the Ukrainians have run very expensive

offenses. So now the Ukraine is in a very

serious crisis; it may not survive.

particularly when this major offensive

begins in November - December time frame

and the ground is frozen. I don't know

what the Ukrainians will do because then

they will face the regular Russian army.

Large numbers of Russian army troops, not

just volunteers and allied units, but the

Russian army and it will have the

operational freedom to do what many

Russians wanted to do at the beginning

which is anything that we suspect is

dangerous or threatening to us can be

targeted and destroyed. It'll be a very

different war that's coming.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: And so you

see that happening in November coming up

here in the next few weeks; this

amassing of forces. I think a lot of

people have been wondering when is that

going to occur; you see that happening

within the next few weeks.

 

Colonel MacGregor: Well, let's be frank.

I'm not on distribution from the Russian

general staff, but when I look at

the arrival of Russian forces in the

theater, and they're arriving in groups

of 50 000 spread around Ukraine and

various places, they're doing a lot of

training and preparation right now. They

will then move to axes, operational

axes of advance something we expected to

see at the beginning of the war that we

did not see, and then they will strike very hard and

very deep. And whatever is still in front

of Russian forces in Ukraine will be

annihilated; that will be their mission,

destroy them, annihilate them.

 

Now where will the Russians stop? I suspect they'll

stop at the Dnieper River. They've never

been interested in crossing that; they

don't want to go into what is

historically Ukraine, which is west of

the river; that's where the Ukrainians

live. They're not Russified. They are real

Ukrainians. He doesn't want to go over

There, but he's going to take Odessa, he's

going to take Karkov; these cities will

be taken once and for all as a result of

these offenses and then there's not a

great deal we can do, anybody in the west,

unless they want to go with to war with

Russia. I see no appetite anywhere in

Europe for anyone to go to war with

Russia with a possible exception of the

Poles, and even there the consensus

supporting war against Russia is

cracking, slowly but surely.

 

In the United States no one's even interested,

everybody's talking about the hurricane

that struck Florida. No one really cares what happens in

Ukraine; that's why we've gotten away

with so many bad policy decisions,

because Americans didn't pay attention.

Well they're not really paying much

attention now, but they're beginning to

see that perhaps everything they were

told about this is wrong.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: Yeah, and

you've been one of the keenest

voices on this, providing that truth and

that's what we try to do here on this

show. And we've been saying Odessa; we've

been talking about Odessa over the past

few weeks on this show, that that will be…

that will be key at this point,. It's not

been, obviously, not part of the referend,

but if pushed Odessa will fall. It will

become part of Russia, and then what

Ukraine, landlocked no access to water?

What Becomes of Ukraine and what becomes

of Zelensky once that happens?

Colonel MacGregor: Well that's anybody's

guess. I couldn't even begin to conjecture what would

happen to Zelensky. Uh… we could…he could

be removed by his own people…. Uh… he could

simply get onto an aircraft and fly to

one of his mansions in Miami or Venice,

or somewhere else that have been

provided to him. I have no idea.

 

But as far as the Russians are concerned,

Odessa has always been a Russian city,

it was never part of Ukraine.

Uh the same thing is true for

Karkov. These were Russian cities from

the very very beginning, and they were

Russian speaking.

 

Now that doesn't mean

Ukrainians haven't moved in there, and

they have in many cases. In Odessa, for instance,

it's almost 50 percent of the population

now consists of Ukrainians because they

pushed a lot of Russians out.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: Right.

 

Colonel MacGregor: But from the

vantage point of Moscow at this

stage they're not going to tolerate that

nonsense any longer. They're going to

take these places, but they're going to

do it, as the Russians always do things,

very methodically, very deliberately. And

this new commander who's just been named

is a very able person, has a great

reputation; he did good work in Syria for

the Russians and he is a tough-minded

individual. He's now going to have forces

and he's going to have capabilities at

his disposal that his predecessors have

never had.

 

That's why I think the

Washington Post suggested this is a

turning point. They're right; it is. It may

not be what they think, but it's a

turning point.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: Maybe also part of this

turning point,  I'll get you out of here

on this question, Colonel, which is about

Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko

on Monday said that Belarus and Russia have agreed

now to deploy a military Joint Force in

response to tensions along the western

borders. Lukashenko also said that

Ukraine is discussing plans to launch

attacks on Belarus, so this is a

preemptive move. Can you speak to that?

 

Colonel MacGregor:

I can only tell you that, you know Russia

is a population of perhaps 8 million, so

even though its land mass is large,

its population is small. Its army has not

modernized over the last several decades,

and the Russians are now trying to

hastily modernize it, provide it new

equipment, new Communications equipment

and perhaps even new tactical

organization.

 

That will not happen

overnight, which what I think we're

talking about now, is the Russians coming

in, integrating with the Belarussians and

they speak the same language. There's no

longer any great distinction between

so-called White Russia and Great Russia.

There was, but certainly not since the

Second World War, and I think they'll be

more concerned about defending the

 border against any interest that Poland

may have in attacking them.

 

Because remember, Minsk is a city that was

historically in the Polish Lithuanian

Commonwealth; so it's this notion of

a White Russia, it was further east.

 

So you got all of these historical

interests at play and this is the final

point that I need to make; we have no

role in this. This is not part of our

world, and the only interest we have in

this place is in bringing peace to it. We

should be working to end this thing, not

make it worse because if we try to make

it worse it will spread and engulf

others for the reasons I just outlined.

There are many people, Lithuania, Latvia,

Estonia, Poland, Slovaki; they all have

agendas that involve territory, populations,

and that's not our agenda. We don't want

to be involved in this; we just want them

to get through this with minimal loss of

life and get back to business.

 

And if you if you're going to argue ‘well the

Russian army is too small and too

incompetent to threaten anyone’ but on

the other hand that Mr Putin harbors the

ambition to conquer Europe and invade

NATO you can't have them both ways.

 

Interviewer Clayton Morris: Right.

 

Colonel MacGregor: So the the point is, no,

there's no interest in attacking NATO and there's

no interest in a war with NATO.

We should recognize that and find, as

quickly as possible, a solution that

people can live with. It won't be as good

as it would have been several months ago;

Ukraine is going to look at the loss of

territory, but this has happened

repeatedly over a thousand years in

Europe. This is nothing new. You have to make

Peace, and that will include some changes

that some people may not like.

 

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Like everything he says and does, Biden is lying to get money for his crime family and other globalists. The money he pretends to give to the Ukraine in foreign aid comes right back to him and other deep staters - I guess Hunter and Jim Biden, Nancy Pelosi's son, Schumer's son etc. all need 'new shoes.'

Hunter Biden Interview Goes Sideways After Caller Asks About Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried’s Mega Donations to Democrat Party (AUDIO)

Biden is rushing arms and money to Zelenksy because the Ukraine is laundering foreign aid and redistributing it back to Biden and others. Biden just requested another $37 billion because the media blackout on the actual progress of the war is beginning to crumble and the public is realizing what 'Ukrainian aid" and the NATO proxy war in the Ukraine is really all about.

Biden asks for more than $37 billion in Ukraine emergency aid

In the video transcript above, Colonel MacGregor says :

"In the United States no one's even interested,

everybody's talking about the hurricane

that struck Florida. No one really cares what happens in

Ukraine; that's why we've gotten away

with so many bad policy decisions,

because Americans didn't pay attention.

Well they're not really paying much

attention now, but they're beginning to

see that perhaps everything they were

told about this is wrong" ~ Colonel MacGregor 

This reminds me of the wall-to-wal false reporting on Covid, the elections, name any number of hoaxes, and the false Biden 'presidency/regime' (no one believes he's in  control).

I note that the 'advocates' for Biden's support for the Ukraine (an understatement) argue that tiny little Ukraine was innocently minding its own business when gigantic, evil Russia attacked it for no reason. For months I've been hearing about the Minsk agreements and the provocation (NATO wants to put missiles in the Ukraine, use Ukrainian army to attack Russia) known for decades in the International community that many warned would result in armed conflict.

At the same time, Biden's policy defenders argue that Zelensky is winning and Putin is confused, scared, helpless, has no military strength left, on the run etc. Both can't be true at the same time and so  I appreciated this quote from the video transcript:

"And if you if you're going to argue ‘well the

Russian army is too small and too

incompetent to threaten anyone’ but on

the other hand that Mr Putin harbors the

ambition to conquer Europe and invade

NATO you can't have them both ways."~  Colonel MacGregor

Democrats keep pushing money into the Ukraine, where Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Jim Biden, Nancy Pelosi's son, Schumer's son etc. have all drawn laundered money to fuel the Democrat's 'reign' over the United States. Even30% - 40% the weapons sent to the Ukraine by the US are resold including to organizations like Isis. The globalists are funding the Democrat overthrow of US sovereignty with American Tax Payer funds given to Ukraine.

Support for Zelensky/Ukraine is support for Biden/Deep State

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Yikes, I lost the point at the bottom of the post above that was to help people skip the long transcript. I'll post the HTML in this post and see if that helps.

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Who is Colonel McGregor and why should we listen to him?

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Who is Colonel McGregor and why should we listen to him?

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Would you like a explanation of why Morris and Macgregor should be ingored?

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McGregor has no credibility. None of his predictions have come to pass. His assertion that only 20% of the Russian army has been committed or that the regular army has been withdrawn is laughable.

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Then there is Clayton Morris. He ran a real estate business promising to refurbish properties for rental to investors. The investors found out many lots were empty or vacant lots. After getting sued by former investors and a state for running a real estate Ponzi scheme he fled the country. This is the level of interviewer Macgregor can get anymore.