Posted on 09/11/2022 9:23:13 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
There are always people who say that the Russian army is fighting offensively, why not carry out a large in-depth assault with tanks and quickly encircle and cut off the enemy? The Russian tank forces were supposed to form up an iron barrel array on the front and gradually smash into the Ukrainian lines with fire.
The Russian tank forces were supposed to form up an iron barrel array on the front and gradually smash into the Ukrainian lines with fire.
Can the Russian General Staff fight a war? Now to talk about the large-scale in-depth assault and encirclement of tank groups on the Ukrainian battlefield, that is, to take the theory of World War II and copy it to modern warfare. No matter what tanks are on the current Ukrainian battlefield, as long as they dare to make a frontal assault, they will become wreckage.
The Ukrainian side said it had destroyed more than 2,000 Russian tanks, and the open source website believed that the Russians had lost more than 900 tanks based on videos and photos. In fact, neither the T-72, nor the T-80, nor the Western M1 and Challenger tanks will be easy to reach the Ukrainian battlefield, and they will all suffer heavy losses.
Because modern warfare is completely different from the period of World War II. In World War II, the infantry had little way to get tanks. Anti-tank grenades can only be thrown more than 10 meters in actual combat, and the effective range of German bazookas during World War II does not exceed 100 meters.
During WW2 soldiers were unable to stop the tanks at all as they broke through at a pace of tens of kilometers per hour. Tanks may be fought with as little as 1 infantry division and 1 anti-tank artillery battalion, and the range is no greater than 1500 meters. As a result, during World War II, tank clusters could launch daring, quick penetration attacks.
The modern battlefield is completely different, and there are tens of thousands of Javelins and other anti-tank missiles on the front line of the Ukrainian army. West supplied thousand no of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine plus Ukraine homemade anti tank missiles so basically every unit of the Ukrainian Army is equipped with ATGM.
Tank troops lacking cover dared to attack the Ukrainian positions head-on, and basically, the end would be the wreckage of tanks everywhere. The Ukrainian infantry had a great defensive advantage in the trenches and in the bunkers. Russian tanks exposed to limited traffic routes in the field would be very dangerous.
At the same time, a large number of precision-guided artillery shells, UAV laser irradiation guidance, modern cannons, and other advanced weapons and equipment participated in the battle. There were even examples of 155 mm howitzers hitting and destroying Russian tanks in motion at a distance of 10 kilometers. This was not possible in the past.
Even before the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War, there had never been an instance of a 155 mm howitzer hitting and destroying a moving tank at a distance of 10 km. Now it can be said that a simple tank assault is actually a life-tired suicide.
The Ukrainian army lacked mobile troops, and as soon as they came up, they gave up the field battle and returned to the city to squat, and this main force lay corpses in the city. The gameplay of the light infantry attack is basically a posture of waiting for death. Therefore, the entire front line was full of Ukrainian defensive lines, and it was difficult for Russian tank units to find weak links that could be broken through.
In the early days of the war, in fact, the Russian army also carried out a rapid and large-depth assault of tanks, but it was not successful. At that time, the Russian army carried out long-range breakthroughs with insufficient troops, in the case of poor equipment support and insufficient logistical supplies. As a result, the Russian combat group encountered resistance and lacked firepower and infantry. Only the tanks were left to be beaten. Many tanks were abandoned because they were out of fuel.
At the same time, the depth of this two-line defense of the Ukrainian army is about 30 kilometers. The second-line defense can form effective fire support for the front-line defense, which is a standard Soviet-style campaign defense layout. According to the typical Soviet defensive terrain, the second line should also have a part of the powerful counter-shock troops.
According to the actual battlefield situation, the tactics of the Russian army became to assemble more than 1,000 artillery and rockets on the front line of the Donbas and shell them as soon as they came up, and bombarded them for a week or even a month. After the bombardment, the squad will send up to see if the fortifications and the people in the building were dead or not, if they were not dead, they continued to bombard.
“can” = “can’t”. And I was the guy calling them out for poor English.....
Article from Defense View military and aerospace Indian news website
1,000 is the standard amount of artillery and tanks the Soviets used during WW2 esp. at Kursk. The NVA reportedly used the same number during their final offensive in South Vietnam.
Don’t know the numbers the No. Koreans and Russians used in the initial invasion of So. Korea in 1950 but I’ll bet it was Significant too.
Sorry, just need a moment...
There is a massive domestic surveillance machine in the US modelled off the old East German Stasi. I wrote a ton about my own personal experience with it, as well as where it had made it into the news below. Please check it out, as I would bet it is running surveillance on most Freepers.
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/surveillance/
Spamming all the threads to your blog, not kosher.
When 60% of your adult population has a serious alcohol problem, many of your war fighting struggles are going to be human in nature.
videos:
1- Nothing special to see here. Just the casual traffic on a road in Ukraine.
https://fb.watch/fuuuAGbLmk/
2- Russia’s ‘rigid’ forces collapse to ‘audacious lightning’ Ukraine counteroffensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-66Sz_0WGFk
I’d post any other link, but that is the only page I have ever seen discuss what is the biggest criminal conspiracy in the country today. If you find another page, please, I would be happy to link it instead.
And for the record, I get no money from the site, and I have to deal with the surveillance for publicizing it, which is, unpleasant, to describe it mildly.
Don’t care. Not my monkeys, not my circus.
Just stop spending my grandkid’s money in shiitehole countries via Forever Wars!!!
Trump would be against this crap.
Public announcement: If seen, please report the whereabouts of these Russians. Last seen looking for scapegoats in the Kremlin. They're wanted for multiple war crimes in #Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/60nYuzPRHk— Glasnost Gone (@GlasnostGone) September 11, 2022
In fact, neither the T-72, nor the T-80, nor the Western M1 and Challenger tanks will be easy to reach the Ukrainian battlefield, and they will all suffer heavy losses. [...] In World War II, the infantry had little way to get tanks. Anti-tank grenades can only be thrown more than 10 meters in actual combat [...]
Agreed! Piss-poor English.
Regards,
“Trump would be against this crap.”
WRONG! BTW, Cheaper to stop Putin now than later. WWII was close, too bad we didn’t stop Hitler alot earlier rather than using strategy of appeasement: see no evil!
“Trump supports Ukraine”
Former President Donald Trump called in to Varney & Co. on Fox Business.
REMARKS:
“’Let me just explain that Putin is saying things like, “Don’t you dare send anything in.” In the meantime he’s killing thousands and thousands of people. So he’s acting like we’re an aggressor if we send in some old 44-year-old plane that probably gets shot at in the sky pretty quickly, and he’s acting like we’re terrible people if we do that. But he’s killing tens of thousands of people, far more than they’re reporting,’ Trump answered.
‘Well what I would do, is I would — we would — we have tremendous military capability. And what we can do without planes, to be honest with you, without 44-year-old jets, what we can do is enormous, and we should be doing it and we should be helping them to survive and they’re doing an amazing job,’ he said.
He added, ‘One thing I’d do rapidly is I’d get the oil flowing, because if you reduce the price of oil significantly, that war is going to end.’
Varney asked, ‘Well what extra military help you would give the Ukrainians.’
Trump said that ‘drones are just as effective as anything nowadays,’ adding that ‘you can do drones, plus they give back tremendous amounts of information, and the information leads missiles to whatever the hell target they are.’
Putin launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion of Russia’s neighbor on February 24. For nearly four weeks his troops have been bombarding Ukraine’s cities and slaughtering civilians — many of whom were trying to flee the fighting.
Trump repeated his claim that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ‘would have never, ever started’ if he was still president
He said the US was the ‘greatest nuclear power in the world’ and recalled Putin ‘constantly using the n-word’ — by which Trump meant ‘nuclear.’”
Russians Are Retreating On Foot| Moscow Deputies Demand Putin’s Resignation - EXCITING NEWS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSZSXHDXYu4
Yes, it’s badly mangled English. I’ve worked with a number of Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Slovaks and Checzs over the years and they have a sometimes different way of speaking then Westerners.
Where an American might ask “Do know what a crescent wrench is?’’
An Eastern European might be more apt to say “Do you know what is crescent wrench?’’
Yes, it’s badly mangled English. I’ve worked with a number of Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Slovaks and Checzs over the years and they have a sometimes different way of speaking then Westerners.
Where an American might ask “Do know what a crescent wrench is?’’
An Eastern European might be more apt to say “Do you know what is crescent wrench?’’
I think North Korea had a single armored division in 1950. But South Korea had none, and initially the US/UN forces had very few.
... very few tanks.
No one is discussing it, so I will.
The article is about fundamental changes in warfare from WWII through today, which comes down to the tank as the main weapon of blitzkreig like, sharp penetrating attacks of force and maneuver being over.
When we think of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Front, Stalin versus Hitler, we focus our memory on this clash of steel, and see it as one of the most formidable forces of warfare on our planet, even today.
But it is not.
That Soviet army is what we have been preparing for since the early 1950s and perfected against with the Air Land Battle plan of the late 1980s.
The air campaign against Saddam Hussien’s Soviet style tank armies was the proof we had found a way. For a force short on Air assets, guided man portable standoff missiles were the way. That ATGM technology has grown leaps and bounds over the past few decades.
The Russians tried to fight Ukraine using the tank army tactics of 1945. That no longer works. They really should have studied our two wars against Iraq more.
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