Posted on 08/23/2022 5:47:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Given that human/anthropomorphic "sovereignty" is threatened by the possible discovery of another, possibly higher, intelligence, is human sovereignty (easier to think of this as just "national bureaucracy"), collectively and without thinking or needing to think, acting in a way that would try to hide that threat?
We have all thought about how the government might be threatened by the idea of UFO's, but this article seems to take it further. Is the government (i.e., sovereignty itself as a concept) behaving irrationally because it senses its days are REALLY numbered?
Correction: In comment #81 above, I used the term “anthropomorphism” when I meant to say “anthropocentrism.”
Thanks for the latest link—I will read it.
There is an interesting debate on a related topic—and I am not sure where I stand on this:
View 1: .Gov (including private contractors) is disorganized and confused at least partially due to compartmentalization. Different pieces of .gov have had evidence (crashed saucers, aliens—alive or dead) but it is so compartmentalized that different agencies cannot share so that the investigation has faltered—and disclosure is needed to get scientists who are not cleared free to study the information in an open environment.
View 2: View 1 is a cover story to protect individuals who have been using the technology for private gain and/or national security reverse engineering—and they have no intention of doing anything except burying the topic beneath a large pile of disinformation—and the current “disclosure” effort is a ruse and the disclosers are being duped. View 2 includes those who claim there has been a “Secret Space Program” that has been advancing a “Secret Civilization” that has no intention of sharing its secrets with any outsiders.
Grant Cameron is among those pushing View #1 and I do not trust the guy for various reasons—his involvement with John Podesta is one of them. However some of the other folks arguing for View #1 seem to have more credibility.
As regards the article I gave you the link to, I am just now plowing through it and it raises some very interesting points.
What I am getting from it so far is that the government has conspired to direct any and all attention away from the subject of UFO's for a very long time. And this action (and the putative reasons for it) is almost as interesting as UFO's themselves.
It's like the government has been saying "don't look at UFO's...whatever you do and wherever you might look, please DON'T LOOK AT UFO's."
It seems the government, in all its disorganization and confusion, deems UFO's to be a threat not against humans, but against government itself.
The government's reaction to the subject of UFO's has been extremely irrational.
On the article you linked—my issue with (almost all) academic types is that they refuse to deal with the role of corruption in human affairs.
In my view corruption is “normal” so that a large number of individuals will use their positions of authority to maximize their own personal gain—and that will over-ride patriotism or other ideological views.
Such individuals (let us call them “sociopaths”) are drawn to positions of authority in any large organization.
Low performing sociopaths become criminals and usually end up in prison.
However high performing sociopaths become corporate CEOs, leading politicians, heads of non-profits etc. They use deception both within and outside the organization to maximize their private gain.
That appears to be the case in all human cultures in all time periods—which of course is an argument for View #2.
Continuing my thought on “corruption” as central to the human experience:
I worked in both the private and public sector in my long working life (now retired).
What fascinated me was that both seemed equally corrupted.
In the private sector the senior executives were highly skilled at lying, back stabbing, blaming others, not taking responsibility. Folks who excelled in that area were usually the ones who were promoted—the “honest” types did important work but usually had little authority.
In the public sector the difference was even more obvious.
Political appointees were the titular heads of government agencies. They were blatantly corrupt—even bragged about it behind closed doors—their top priority was pleasing the large donors to their political party or potential future private sector or non-profit employers.
Meanwhile the career .gov employees were often very idealistic—and stunningly naive if they had not had access to higher level decision-making by the political types.
But, luckily for us, human corruption is offset by its incompetence. Even if a corporate/group leader is a "high functioning" sociopath, his corporation is filled to the brim with people who, individually and collectively, are grossly incompetent.
Now that humans have developed nuclear weapons capable of blowing the world to smithereens, it is only a matter of time until some Larry, Moe, and Curly trip and fall on the "fire all missiles" button.
One of my views is that the aliens have in fact prevented nuclear war.
There is a lot of literature about their observation and intervention in the functioning of nuclear weapons systems.
They appear to have a “stake” in our survival as a species.
I am not “woo” about their motives—there are many possible explanations for this and many of them are quite frightening.
Regarding "woo," I am neither pro nor con. There have been many incidents (like the Chris Bledsoe accounts) that are certainly indicative of "woo" but I remain skeptical for now.
In the podcast I was watching last night, Jim Semivan, who has spent time with Chris Bledsoe at his farm, said that the Bledsoe stories seem to have ventured into "religious" territory. That is particularly interesting when one considers that Bledsoe was very religious prior to his experiences and was in fact spurned by members of his church after said experiences.
My issue with “woo” is that I do not trust any human perception that “frames” the “other” to fit in their existing world-view.
Near death experiences are a good example—Christians tend to see angels, Hindus tend to see Hindu deities, etc—it looks like they are getting their own beliefs reflected back to them.
I am more impressed with experiencers (as you know Terence McKenna is one of my favorite story-tellers) that are totally outside of—or even in conflict with—that person’s belief system. While on mushrooms (for example) he would see art and architecture that did not exist in our world and he had never seen before...while on DMT he would see very weird aliens who mostly just wanted to play games with him...
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