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The myth of Chinese supremacy
UnHerd ^ | February 19, 2022 | Edward Luttwak

Posted on 04/01/2022 3:08:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Many of the misrepresentations of that 1972 trip linger till this day — of which the most important by far is the legend of China’s strategic statecraft, superior by virtue of its very long-range perspective, then personified by Zhou Enlai. Because Kissinger negotiated primarily with Zhou, he elevated that servile toady — who never once tried to save life-long colleagues from Mao’s murderous intrigues — into a statesman of transcendental wisdom, fully endowed in the long-view department.

This was exemplified by Zhou’s answer to Kissinger’s fawning request for his retrospective view of the French Revolution. Indeed, Kissinger never tired of relaying the Great Man’s answer: “Too early to tell”. You see, you see, Kissinger would add, China’s greatest minds look ahead 200 years. Today, authors and publishers still use “playing the long game” in the subtitles of books about China.

They should not. Chas W. Freeman, the interpreter, immediately told Kissinger that Zhou was referring to the 1968 student uprising that overthrew De Gaulle, whose final outcome was indeed still unclear in 1972. But Kissinger refused to give up his two centuries for a mere four years, and continued to repeat the story when gracing the dinner tables of the extremely rich in subsequent decades. It was one of the simpler Kissinger mystifications: by turning Zhou into a great statesman, he qualified himself as one — unnecessarily, it would later transpire, because he had so little competition until Reagan arrived to deflate the balloon of Soviet power.

Kissinger’s lie about Zhou was only the tail of a much bigger rat: the historical falsification that ignores China’s stupendous record of strategic incompetence down the ages, in order to attribute profound strategic wisdom to the Han — a wisdom also embodied in China’s classic strategic manuals, with Sun Tzu’s the most famous.

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Kissinger was a glib and literate courtier who repeatedly guided Nixon towards disastrous policies. The guy's books are well-written, but they are just crap piled high and deep - the triumph of style over substance. Glad that Luttwak voiced something that anyone who's ever delved into any kind of detail re China's history will have gleaned - that China's emperors have the attention spans of gnats, and are principally either beleaguered oligarchs fighting off internal challengers high and low or degenerate gamblers betting their entire bankroll on a single number on the roulette wheel.
1 posted on 04/01/2022 3:08:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

And to think, that old fart is still alive. Only the good die young.


2 posted on 04/01/2022 3:13:34 PM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.p)
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; ProtectOurFreedom; familyop; MercyFlush; ...

Ukraine ping

Somewhat peripheral to Ukraine, but perhaps relevant, given that Putin is leaning on Xi to be his sugar daddy, parts supplier and armorer or, at minimum, a bigger natural resource customer.


3 posted on 04/01/2022 3:13:50 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

But then again Luttwak was the guy that said that Gulf War I was going to be a bloodbath for the Allied forces.


4 posted on 04/01/2022 3:15:59 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Zhang Fei
I guess they're not so inscrutable after all.

I'm going to stop using their laundry tips post haste!

5 posted on 04/01/2022 3:16:44 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Fact of the matter is China is a demographic nightmare with their 30+ years of “One Child Policy”.
Their warring ethnic groups (52 some-odd tribes, and being probably the most racist country on earth) has doomed them. I fully expect China to be at the end of civil wars and rebuilding into half a dozen nations in the next 25 years.


6 posted on 04/01/2022 3:18:08 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In the conflict between the stone and the stream, the stream will always prevail.)
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To: Zhang Fei
There is no “myth” to the fact that China has swiftly taken control of the design and manufacturing of large swaths of the electronics industry like smart phones, HDTVs , laptops etc etc, literally from a standing start.
And the Chinese are on track to overtake America as the biggest economy on the planet soon.
Have a look at admissions to Harvard for example and see how the Chinese are vastly over performing their small slice of the American population. And the Chinese are doing even better in the sciences.
7 posted on 04/01/2022 3:19:01 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: End Times Sentinel
Fact of the matter is China is a demographic nightmare with their 30+ years of “One Child Policy”.

How is America's birth rate doing these days?

8 posted on 04/01/2022 3:22:30 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: glorgau

[But then again Luttwak was the guy that said that Gulf War I was going to be a bloodbath for the Allied forces.]


He was merely repeating what military officials had determined to be the worst case scenario. IIRC, 30,000 body bags had been readied for friendly casualties. Prior large-scale conventional battles had been bloody, dating back to WWII. Heck, even in the Korean War, the US lost 38,000 troops in 3 years of fighting, a light toll compared to any similar period of WWII.


9 posted on 04/01/2022 3:23:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Clinton is only second in his stupidity - he allowed China into the WTO on extremely loose and favorable terms to China - for what exactly? Some headlines? His cheap legacy?

He accelerated the movement of US manufacturing to China and greatly increased the power of the CCP

You can read Clinton’s speech about China entering the WTO below. Everything he has said has turned out mostly wrong

https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/Full_Text_of_Clintons_Speech_on_China_Trade_Bi.htm


10 posted on 04/01/2022 3:23:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Tai_Chung; Fai Mao; datura; sima_yi

China ping


11 posted on 04/01/2022 3:31:18 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Clinton is only second in his stupidity - he allowed China into the WTO on extremely loose and favorable terms to China - for what exactly? Some headlines? His cheap legacy?


The usual with him: admission for more campaign cash.


12 posted on 04/01/2022 3:42:29 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Clinton-think Loral.


13 posted on 04/01/2022 3:44:28 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Zhang Fei; glorgau
"He was merely repeating what military officials had determined to be the worst case scenario. IIRC, 30,000 body bags had been readied for friendly casualties."

My combat unit was alerted and came within 4 hours of mobilizing to clear primary, hasty lanes for infantry to get into a city. What you mention is why our generals decided against mobilizing us. Iraq was softened between then and Gulf War 2.

14 posted on 04/01/2022 3:52:40 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Zhang Fei
In 1973, I had a 96 R&R in Taipei. Chaing Kai-Shek was still alive.

Wandering around the city, I noticed that all of the several rivers were landscaped, with 20 foot vertical walls on both banks, the length of their paths through the city. Just like tank traps... Every bridge had sunken pill boxes at both ends.
Every downtown building had gum slits on all four corners of every intersection.

Talking to a ROC arty man, he confirmed that every block in the city was registered from pre-dug battery sites in the surrounding hills.

I'm reasonably sure this has had something to do with the CCP's delay in invading...

15 posted on 04/01/2022 3:53:29 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Zhang Fei; glorgau

Urban warfare can be very costly for an assaulting force, especially if the assaulted force is ready and among civilians in a large population.


16 posted on 04/01/2022 3:55:24 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Zhang Fei
China's Covid lockdowns are likely costing the country at least $46 billion a month, or 3.1% of GDP, in lost economic output. That cost would double if there will be more lockdowns.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-29/china-lockdowns-cost-at-least-46-billion-a-month-academic-says

Add the disaster from Evergrande and other real estate companies and there will be a perfect storm that will contract the GDP with social unrest as a result. China has to ditch Putin in April. There will be no May 9 parade in Moscow.

17 posted on 04/01/2022 4:01:22 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: SmokingJoe
How is America's birth rate doing these days?

Similar, but you're over-looking the devastating impact of 30+ years of one child, which we didn't have in the U.S.

18 posted on 04/01/2022 4:02:52 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In the conflict between the stone and the stream, the stream will always prevail.)
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To: Zhang Fei

China is just like every other country on the planet.

Hanging on for dear life as the world accelerates forward.


19 posted on 04/01/2022 4:11:15 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: jonascord

I was in Taipei in 1970 on liberty. But I wasn’t looking for gun slits. Lol.


20 posted on 04/01/2022 4:13:19 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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