Are Russia and Ukraine Closer to a Ceasefire Deal?

Fox News ^ | 3/17/22 | Tucker Carlson

[adorno]

The only peace Putin wants, is that which ends the war, with Ukraine being recognized as a crucial part of the reconstituted Soviet Union.

There will be no independent Ukraine as long as Putin is in charge of Russia. And, that's a FACT!

[JonPreston]

Don’t be afraid. Putin won’t bother us.

[hardspunned]

Putin wants the corrupt American nation manipulating scum off his border. I want the same illegitimate bastards out of our White House! You got a problem with that?

[ought-six]

“Once civilians are evacuated then Russia is free to turn the cities to rubble and killing most of those still trapped within.”

Same thing would happen if Ukraine surrendered. Better to fight and die than live without freedom.

Russia will have won a Pyrrhic victory, and will forever be despised and vilified and condemned. And that is one thing Russians fear above all else: National humiliation. And they will have it.

[Mariner]

“It better not end with a land for peace trade off. “

It will be that AND an exclusive security arrangement with Russia. A pseudo annexation akin to the Belarus arrangement, with some “freedom” window dressing.

Ukraine has no other choices.

Believe otherwise if you must.

[hardspunned]

You really think Putin wants to stay in Ukraine? Why? It would almost be as much a burden on him as it will be on your grandchildren if this doesn’t get negotiated. Russia was fine with an INDEPENDENT unaligned Ukraine from 1991 until 2010 when Obama/Soros Destabilization, Inc. showed up and took over. You must remember, it was the same time O/S D, Inc. showed up and did the same thing to you and me. If Zelenskyy is smart, he’ll take the Russian disengagement deal and let our grandchildren hire Slo Joe’s brother to “rebuild” Ukraine. Russia is happy, Ukraine is happy, I’m happy WWIII didn’t start. And most importantly the oligarchs in DC are happy being paid on my grandson’s credit card.

[hardspunned]

Go back and watch the “impeachment” hearings. Ukraine has been an independent state after Obama’s crew showed up? Go on! You’re a real card.

[jimwatx]

Russia has more sympathy and support outside of the usual western countries than you may thing. And many have already balked at sanctioning trade with Russia. I’m not even talking about China and India, there’s plenty of others.

[Seruzawa]

So, they are liberals.

[hardspunned]

Was Putin bothering you? You don’t say? Are you talking about your current media handlers’s Russia, Russia, Russia bothering? Are you talking about bothering my grandchildren with those 8000 nukes he has aimed at them. You know the nukes that get launched when you neocon cowboys go butchering American boys again, this time all the way to WWIII with the Russians? That bother?

[DIRTYSECRET]

Russia staying would be like Northern Ireland with the IRA.

American volunteers should be equipped with Tracking Point weapons. Impossible to miss up to 1k yards. I’m sure there are more than a few retired servicemen with sniper experience. They would have to have screw loose to do that kind of thing but those people are out there. We could use them like the Flying Tigers before WW2. We could pay them well. Doesn’t matter.

[baclava]

BWAhahaha, Get your iodine tablets, comrade, we will bury you

[Drew68]

It better not end with a land for peace trade off. That’s just giving Putin what he wanted. More land and no NATO next door.

Putin isn’t going to give Crimea back to Ukraine and he’s not going to tolerate Azov Battalion’s continued ethnic cleansing of Russians in the Donbas.

[cnsmom]

Fauci and Putin will walk hand in hand into the sunset.

[livius]

I think Biden has gotten all the bucks he can out of this one. He wants it to go away, especially now that even the NYT is looking into Hunter’s deals. The problem is that his lapdog, Zelensky, has his own ambitions and this has all slipped out of Senile Uncle Joe’s grasp...not to mention that of Kackling Kamala.

[Mariner]

“Russia will have won a Pyrrhic victory, and will forever be despised and vilified and condemned. And that is one thing Russians fear above all else: National humiliation. And they will have it.”

Certainly that will be true for many in the west.

But a significant minority in the west, and most everyone in the rest of the world will see:

- The US is not the exclusive hegemon
- NATO is fragile, feckless, hyperbolic and ineffective
- A powerful, willful nation can force them to back off
- There will be no external security arrangement for Ukraine except Russia, and they will forever be a Russian protectorate
- Politics via other means still works
- The US is the world’s most dominant, effective information warfare entity in the history of mankind

Realpolitik will be a difficult adjustment for the perfumed princes of the west. So they’ll continue to moralize while ignoring their real, essential interests:

- Energy independence
- Free development and flow of energy worldwide
- Free development and flow of all commodities worldwide
- Controlled, beneficial (to us) flows of finished products worldwide
- Advanced, capable and dominant defense
- All corners of the Pacific ocean
- Abrogation of the NATO treaty

[hardspunned]

Why did the Russians wait until now? Your media handlers have told you for years that Adolf Trump and Putin were tight allies. NOW, you understand it was Russia, Russia, Russia after all. Putin waited until his buddy was gone. After developing your taste for that crap, your media handlers put a big ole shovel full of Putin, Putin, Putin in your trough. Don’t worry, you’ll get another shovel full tomorrow.

[adorno]

Why did the Russians wait until now? Your media handlers have told you for years that Adolf Trump and Putin were tight allies.

Hopefully, republicans (at least most of them), understand how the democrats work. And that is to point the finger in the other direction, so that you won't notice where the real collusion exists. FACT is that, when it comes to Russia, and even China, those two countries' ideologies are very close to what the democrats have espoused for many decades. You can put the democrats' way of thinking next to that of the Russians (without labeling them 'democrats' or 'Russian'), and you'd come away wondering if there was any difference at all. Democrats are the same as the Russians, but they want to keep the American people ignorant about their real agenda.

[hardspunned]

You’ve got to go back to Beria to find a Russian as ruthless and bloodthirsty as our modern day Dems.

[Drew68]

NATO is powerless.

In Russian military doctrine, in black and white, there's a policy called "escalate to de-escalate". In short, this means that if Russia is losing, they will use tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield to show their enemy they mean business, turn the tide, and then de-escalate from there.

NATO has a policy that any country who uses nuclear weapon offensively negates the right to possess nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons will be used strategically to take our their nuclear capabilities.

Of course, Russia has "second strike" capabilities from their submarines which means NATO cities will get nuked. Most war-gamers believe that NATO will defeat Russia in a nuclear war but, again, NATO cities will absorb some nuclear attacks.

I honestly think that Putin is going to call our bluff. If Russia starts losing, he's going to "escalate to de-escalate" with low-yield tactical nukes and place a bet that there will not be a nuclear response from NATO.

Will there be a response? What cities in Western Europe and the United States is NATO willing to sacrifice? Will Putin win this bet or will we call his bluff, nuke the sh*t outta Russia, and lose cities here in retaliation?