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Trans women like swimmer Lia Thomas in female sport is 'just not fair' - and 'everyone needs to calm down' about J.K. Rowling: Trans celebrity Caitlyn Jenner offers a dose of common sense (PS She also hates cancel culture and all things woke)
Daily Mail UK ^ | March 4, 2022 | Barbara Mcmahon

Posted on 03/04/2022 8:58:27 PM PST by Morgana

On the coveted cover of the latest issue of Sports Illustrated magazine, there is a striking image of the transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, ploughing her way through water, sleek and powerful.

The 22-year-old American is the most controversial athlete in the world at the moment, making waves amid a passionate and polarising debate about whether she should be allowed to compete against biological females.

'The very simple answer is that I am not a man,' she told the esteemed sports publication. 'I'm a woman — so I belong on the women's team.'

Yet while Lia has many supporters, she is also facing mounting criticism from her fellow swimmers and people inside and outside the sport, and the interview has fuelled the controversy.

Critics say because Lia was born a biological male, she has advantages in the pool that biological women don't have, and the precedent she is setting could be a direct threat to female athletes in every sport.

One of the most forthright critics of this fraught situation — though not of Lia herself — is Caitlyn Jenner.

Caitlyn, of course, was previously Bruce Jenner, the athlete who won gold in the Decathlon at the 1976 Montreal Olympics, and who later blazed a reality TV trail as the father of a brood of glamorous step-daughters and daughters in Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

Her gender transformation in 2015, aged 65 — announced by her posing in a satin bustier on the cover of Vanity Fair — made Caitlyn the most famous trans woman of the modern age.

Always a cool, reasoned and intelligent voice, Jenner fostered greater understanding of what it means to be a transgender person.

But that was in a different, less complicated, more innocent time. Now, Caitlyn despairs at the bitter gender wars raging today.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: brucejenner; sports; swimming; xyxx
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1 posted on 03/04/2022 8:58:27 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I didn’t notice Bruce refusing all the adulation he received back when. If he’s starting to see the monster he helped create, I guess that’s positive.


2 posted on 03/04/2022 9:03:37 PM PST by DarrellZero
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To: Morgana

Caitlin reminds me more and more of Dame Edna every day.


3 posted on 03/04/2022 9:07:29 PM PST by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: Morgana

G-day Bruce!


4 posted on 03/04/2022 9:08:14 PM PST by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: Morgana

Trans athletes need to compete under their own catagory.
That’s all there is to it.
Otherwise, it remains a stilted and bizarre game of ‘Let’s Pretend’ with everybody saying things they don’t really believe. Too much thought is being poured into this one topic when the swimmers should have their minds focused on their swimming.


5 posted on 03/04/2022 9:08:50 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Morgana
He. Bruce is still he and is contributing to all of this nonsense.
6 posted on 03/04/2022 9:14:18 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: Morgana
(PS She also hates cancel culture and all things woke)

Bruce Jenner is a man. End of story.
7 posted on 03/04/2022 9:14:22 PM PST by fr_freak ( )
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To: Morgana

He is making some sense, but I don’t understand how he can also make no sense by claiming he is a woman now. A person cannot change their sex, it is written into every cell of our bodies. We either have a double x or an xy chromosome. It’s as simple as 2 + 2.


8 posted on 03/04/2022 9:16:38 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Democracy is two dead Democrats and a Republican voting who's brains are for dinner.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
> We either have a double x or an xy chromosome. It’s as simple as 2 + 2.

And that would be... "5". Right? Or is it "3" this week?

Sometimes, Winston, it is all of them at once.

9 posted on 03/04/2022 9:20:37 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
2.4 + 2.4 = 4.8. With rounding, that makes 2 + 2 = 5. But you can also put 6 fake legs on a dog to make it a spider.
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10 posted on 03/04/2022 9:27:12 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Democracy is two dead Democrats and a Republican voting who's brains are for dinner.)
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To: Morgana

Its insane!


11 posted on 03/04/2022 9:50:50 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Yikes! I had to work for a minute to get that video...

https://youtu.be/YoB8t0B4jx4


12 posted on 03/04/2022 10:01:41 PM PST by avenir
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To: Morgana

Neither one of them is a “her” or a “she.”


13 posted on 03/04/2022 10:12:23 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Greenie weenie ecofreaks in Europe and the USA are responsible for this war.)
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To: Morgana

Dogs come on male and female. If you cut the nuts off of your male dog, paint his toenails in pink, dress him in “girly” clothes and put a pink bow in his hair…he is still a male dog.

Ditto for humans. Your biology is in every cell of your body, and that cannot be changed. XY makes you a male, XX males you a female. That, and ONLY that should govern whether you compete against men or women.


14 posted on 03/04/2022 10:37:09 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: avenir; Telepathic Intruder
> Yikes! I had to work for a minute to get that video... https://youtu.be/YoB8t0B4jx4

Wow, that's amazing. Great stuff.

15 posted on 03/04/2022 11:03:21 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Ancesthntr
There ya go, using logic.

You forgot to factor in mental illness. Your neutered male dog is not mentally ill and thus does not believe himself to be a bitch.

Although he might be pretty pissed off at you for cutting his nuts off.

16 posted on 03/04/2022 11:09:27 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: lee martell

I’m identifying as a broccoli today and demand to have my own extra special swim category. Well, until there’s too much competition and then I’ll demand a whole other category. It’d be easier on everyone to just give me a gold medal and be done with it.


17 posted on 03/05/2022 12:58:00 AM PST by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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To: Morgana
"PS She also hates cancel culture and all things woke"

But "she" is a he.

18 posted on 03/05/2022 2:57:03 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Morgana

Poor Bruce....maybe hanging out with the Kardashians made him crazy.
But he’s a he, like Lia whatever the swimmer.


19 posted on 03/05/2022 4:55:43 AM PST by ronniesgal (if more folks would mind their own business the world would be a better place.)
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To: Morgana

Jenner is not a SHE. If YOU change the pronouns YOU are WOKE. (a fully woke Daily Mail)


20 posted on 03/05/2022 5:44:42 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (The Democrat JOKE will be over when stop buying oil from Russia! (Honk)
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