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"The problem is that we don't fight wars like we used to. I don't want to fight Russia or anybody else with the "win over hearts and minds" attitude Bush defined our Afghanistan war --- while ground zero in NYC was still smoking. If we won't go into war to actually win then we have no business going to war at all, especially if it's none of our business anyway like Ukraine."

I couldn't agree more. This is Europe's problem. NO MORE AMERICA LIVES OR MAIMING FOR NON-NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS.

I didn't say American lives need be involved. Just send a dozen A 10's to Ukraine. Putin will squawk and yell, but is that enough to trigger WW3?

What everyone seems to be saying is we MUST lose to save us from nuke war. We might as well bomb Ukraine ourselves to just continue to do nothing.

Plus I disagree that we have no National Security Interests. If Putin knows we will not respond to his building back the Soviet Empire, then get ready to have the Soviet empire back. I lived through that my whole life. Reagan fixed it.

It would be interesting if you are going to vote for Trump. I can guarantee you one of the first questions that he will be asked is "What are you going to do about Ukraine?" I cannot believe he will say...."Nothing!"