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Vax Mandate Guidance Document for Resistors
Large group meeting with an attorney via zoom | 10/9/2021 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/09/2021 9:13:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz

From September 30, 2021 presentation by Clint [redacted]

Email: [Redacted]

Disclaimer: comments by Clint [redacted] recorded here, should be viewed like something you would hear at a seminar. Since we have not yet hired Clint to represent us, his guidance is not specific legal advice to you individually or this group.

Clint’s initial message to us – about challenging mandates -- was a bitter pill, but it does clarify some things and help us focus on the things that matter. The more important discussion covered was how to successfully acquire an exemption, especially a religious one.

EEOC and Legal Challenges to Mandates

Takeaway: No viable path to stopping corporate’s mandate through the legal system (a good attorney will never say never, but the odds are long)

Details: Exemptions: Details Overall: Details for Religious Exemptions: Legal Decisions of Import Other Considerations / Questions Clint [Redacted] Background and Contact Info



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KEYWORDS: challenges; covidstooges; examption; exemption; guideline; vaccinemandate; vaccinemandates
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To: Lazamataz

Just posted my religious exemption that I’ve been working by on for two weeks and seems to o fall inline with what you posted.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3999784/posts?page=2171#2171


61 posted on 10/09/2021 11:30:35 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: BigpapaBo

Ping to self


62 posted on 10/09/2021 11:32:28 AM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: Golden Eagle

All:
Well stated.

I have “lurked” on Freerepublic for 18 years. I stay away from posting due to the sensitive nature of work in the IC and Navy. I can’t read in silence anymore. Both my careers, Navy Reserves which I so dearly love, and civilian career as data scientist, are at risk due to this government.

A couple of questions for experts: do empathetic and sympatheict doctors exist? Mine has drank the full-on Kool Aid.

Anyone have experience getting a vaccine waiver for Long Haul COVID?

If we are terminated due to inabiity to get shot for medical reasons, doesn’t that fall under ADA/discrimation?

Companies who have Federal contracts ARE REQUIRED to have employees vaccinated. This is separate from Biden’s mandate.

The business rationale for requiring the vaccine is “the vaccine prevents spread”. 3 of my doctors, including a doc at Walter Reed, verified it does NOT prevent the spread. Am I misguided to accuse my employer of firing me under false pretenses, since the vaccine does NOT prevent the spread and therefore unvaccinated are NOT a danger to other employees?

God bless this forum and its members. I should be more interactive since I know longer have any more to lose...


63 posted on 10/09/2021 12:11:35 PM PDT by mzimmpa ("What are they going to do, send me to Iraq? Make me take untested chemicals?")
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To: Brian Griffin
got vaccinated to be on the “safe side”. I’m 62 years of age.

Safe side? When this all goes to Hell, you may have put yourself on the unsafe side.

Nobody knows the long term effects of this jab on your body. Nobody.

If you believe Big Pharma or the Government you are…. I won’t say it.

64 posted on 10/09/2021 12:17:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“It is cute how you say ‘fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue’ as if there is a difference.”

I used quoted material so my rewording is not an issue.

Those who wish to get a religious exemption need to know what arguments they will face and how to respond well to them, and to state their original claim in the best manner possible as to get an exemption without further ado.

I would like people to safeguard themselves appropriately and I would also like to safeguard American liberty against all tyrants, now and in the future.


65 posted on 10/09/2021 12:26:34 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Lazamataz

Why not give the employer a letter to sign making them responsible for any adverse effects of the shot. Watch them hem and haw.


66 posted on 10/09/2021 12:33:29 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: P-Marlowe

“you may have put yourself on the unsafe side”

That may be so.

However, I believe the mRNA vaccines are cleared in a few weeks and side effects would show up in a few weeks.

If my heart muscle got weakened 1% by vaccination that might be critical in future years.

There are often risks and benefits with decisions. May everybody here make the right ones for themselves.


67 posted on 10/09/2021 12:33:55 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: mzimmpa

“Medical, Immune exemption: Evidence of existing immunity (e.g., by serologic antibody test, documentation of previous infection or natural infection presumed)”

“Health care professionals are available for consultation regarding exemption recommendations. Both health care professionals and service members are encouraged to contact the DHA Immunization Healthcare Support Center at 877-438-8222 (DSN 761-4245), Option 1, for vaccine medical exemption guidance.”

https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Immunization-Healthcare/Clinical-Consultation-Services/Exemption-Guidance

I’m a civilian so I have no experience with the system.


68 posted on 10/09/2021 12:47:44 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: mzimmpa

https://www.militaryjusticeattorneys.com/blog/can-service-members-be-required-to-take-a-covid-19-vaccine/

It cites two cases that involves the anthrax vaccine that were unfavorable to servicepeople.

It is my opinion that enlisting in the service comes with about a 1/2000 risk of death, about 500 times greater than the risk of death from vaccination.

Enlisted people might consult a doctor to choose the best course of vaccination. Probably the Pfizer is best unless they really need the more likely better hospitalization protection of the Moderna. Expect to have to get boosters with the Pfizer.

If you have a Republican Congressional representative, ask the representative to support a natural immunity exception in the military funding bill.


69 posted on 10/09/2021 1:01:06 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Brian Griffin

Early organ damage from the jab would have shown up within a few weeks. It is the long term damage done by fooling your immune system into producing antibodies for a virus protein that you own body was fooled into producing that is the big threat to your life.

Your T. Cells may not recognize the real disease as a threat down the line, thus creating the cytokine storm you took the Vax to prevent.

We won’t know if that is going to occur in the next outbreak or not.

The one thing we do know is that the Vax does not keep you from getting Covid and it doesn’t keep you from spreading it to others.

Good luck.


70 posted on 10/09/2021 1:02:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: Lazamataz

Who cares what the courts say. Has this nation become dark ages England?


71 posted on 10/09/2021 1:11:23 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: mzimmpa

https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2021/02/18/can-troops-be-ordered-to-take-the-covid-vaccine-a-guest-post-analyzes-the-law/

The precedents are very unfavorable.

Dear Commander-in-Chief Joseph R. Biden:

If you are going to be so disrespectful of the science of natural immunity and of the value of my husband’s life, health and belief in the value of all human life, I will make sure that he will not be reenlisting.

A Loving Wife


72 posted on 10/09/2021 1:16:48 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Lazamataz
"The EUA statute applies to medical provider"

Actually, there is a clause there for the individual receiving the shot:

Paragraph (e) (1) (A) (2) (III) of

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3

says:

"Appropriate conditions designed to ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed ...of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product..."

Per the Exec Order, sec 4b of that says it's to be implemented consistent w/law. The statute above would apply (as long as Cominarty is not available in U.S.) and an OSHA reg does not have supremacy over statute.

Obviously, once Cominarty is available, the above is moot, however, it is likely not to be here before the EO mandate goes into effect, allowing time for other cases to make their way through the system.

73 posted on 10/09/2021 1:33:33 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: Lazamataz

Bttt.

5.56mm


74 posted on 10/09/2021 1:35:24 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks.
BFL


75 posted on 10/09/2021 1:40:41 PM PDT by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31 )
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To: Brian Griffin
Thank you Sir.

In the big picture, my service in the Reserves can end at anytime I wish. No matter my love of the service.

Being a civilian-sailor, the imminent issue to my Pursuit of Happiness is the corporate mandate's threat to my civilian job, much like millions of American now face.

Before I can begin a different venue of defending our way of life, as in running for office, I first have to secure my family's future. And this is how we are thrown off balance. People find it hard to fight back when they first have to fight for family survival.

I do not wish to hijack this Post for personal reasons. I do very much appreciate the advice flowing to the members.

76 posted on 10/09/2021 1:41:35 PM PDT by mzimmpa ("What are they going to do, send me to Iraq? Make me take untested chemicals?")
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you, Laz.


77 posted on 10/09/2021 1:50:35 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (In my defense, I was left unsupervised.)
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you for all this information.


78 posted on 10/09/2021 2:10:56 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lazamataz

Cool Thanks, Resist we much!


79 posted on 10/09/2021 5:18:53 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Lazamataz

Excellent post, Laz. Thank you!
Also check out Liberty Counsel www.lc.org


80 posted on 10/09/2021 9:22:08 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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