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Ancient Footprints Push Back Date of Human Arrival in the Americas
The New York Times ^ | 23 Sept 2021 | Carl Zimmer

Posted on 09/23/2021 1:24:31 PM PDT by Theoria

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; fidelis; SunkenCiv; All

It was reported that the Mandans also used Welsh words. Thirty years ago I had an interesting conversation in a DC bar with a women who said she had been doing ancient research in California before coming to DC. She said there was evidence of humans from 200,000 years ago out there, but it was extremely controversial and one reason she left (had to leave?).


81 posted on 09/23/2021 8:47:09 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: Levy78; PIF; Varda; All

See my comment #81 regarding a disappointed/disgraced? woman I met 30 years or more ago.


82 posted on 09/23/2021 9:08:57 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: gleeaikin
America B.C.
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby library
A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. [p 173]
from Iberia, Not Siberia:
Although questionable in the minds of most anthropologists, some linguistic evidence might point toward the Iberian Peninsula. In the 1960's, the Morris Swadesh in the Handbook of Middle American Indians, claimed he found a connection between the Nadene (Athasbascan) linguistic family of North America and the Basque linguistic isolate. This connection, he argued, dated back thousands of years. Basque is the only European language to have survived the influence of proto-Indo-European, which entered the Basque region more than 5,000 years ago. One can infer then that Basque language is at least 5,000 years old, and some argue it is far older. The Basque themselves contend they have survived in their homeland for tens of thousands of years. Though Swadesh has been criticized as a lumper when it comes to linguistic correlations, the claim is nonetheless intriguing under the circumstances. It should be noted that linguist Merritt Ruhlen recently reported to have located a language related to Nadene in Asia. Ket, the only remaining member of the Yeniseian family of languages, shares common words like "birch bark" with some Nadene languages. Ket is spoken by about 550 people (out of a total population of 1,100) who live along the Yenisei River in central Siberia (Lysek 2000).

83 posted on 09/23/2021 9:32:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Vaquero
Try this:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fossil-footprints-humans-occupied-north-america-ice-age-2021-9

I went to Google News, searched for the phrase "ancient footprints" and found several other sources.

84 posted on 09/23/2021 10:54:40 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Kevmo

Soul Train, I remember that show..................


85 posted on 09/24/2021 6:22:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Theoria

I think people migrated here from Asia, Europe and Polynesia via many different routes, north, south, east and west.

As for the arrowheads, form follows function, and always has.........................


86 posted on 09/24/2021 6:26:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Theoria

So if this is correct, the Europeans didn’t steal the land, they reclaimed it. How does that affect our Indian treaties? Can we revoke reservations, and reclaim those lands as well? Asking for a friend.


87 posted on 09/24/2021 6:28:28 AM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: gleeaikin

Claiming an ancient date that overturns a hypothesis requires significant evidence. If you don’t have it, than all you’re doing is speculating.
Current archeology requires a knowledge of harder sciences than years ago. Look at the OP. The lead author is a geologist in the UK. This is hard evidence against the Berengia Standstill hypothesis which has been advocated by archeogeneticists both here and in Europe.
It’s a big one to overturn. One that I never thought made much sense.


88 posted on 09/24/2021 6:58:10 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Red Badger; Theoria; Varda; SunkenCiv; All

I too believe America was settled from a number of different directions. The Portuguese were fishing the Grand Banks of Newfoundland before Columbus “discoverev” America, so it is certainly possible Basques could have come here. Do we know haw many millenia old that fishing tradition was? Did the Cartheginians use it or the Philestines? Forty years ago I was at Epcot Center in Florida and saw a cup that had figures on it that looked Japanese although it was ascribed to a precolumbian Mexican civilization. It looked exactly like art work I had seen in History and Appreciation of Art while in college. I also have seen Amazon tribal pictures in National Geographic in which the tribal members looked Caucasian, not Amerindian. And these were very isolated tribes, not ones that were likely to be interacting sexually with European Brazilians.

Regarding arrow heads and spear points. Most of the large animals of North America died out around the time the Clovis tradion disappeared around 13,000 ya. There has been plenty of FR speculation regarding this phenomenon. I was at a small museum in a mid south state that had an extensive exibit of locally found stone points. None of them, even the spear points were more than 5 or 6 inches, and the arrows much smaller. This display was listed as around 8,000 years old. Obviously for much smaller animals, although forest bison still existed in that area for which the spear points would have been suitable


89 posted on 09/24/2021 9:58:23 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: LeoTDB69

I wondered if the tracks were some kind of monkey or something. They look weird


90 posted on 09/24/2021 12:13:24 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: Kevmo

I ran into the Solutrean angle a few years ago and have been reading as much as I can find about it. I have been long convinced that there were several very early migrations to the Americas. I know that there is DNA evidence of 25k old European genes as well as Polynesian and Chinese and Phoenician and lots of etc.


91 posted on 09/24/2021 3:53:52 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: ThanhPhero

Phoenicians! That was how I got started on this angle. Back in 7th grade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Phoenician_discovery_of_the_Americas


92 posted on 09/24/2021 3:59:27 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Kevmo
Barry Fell got my attention with America B.C.<\u> many years ago. I even managed to visit Mystery Hill in NH. It is truly awesome.
93 posted on 09/24/2021 5:59:31 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: Theoria

Nephilim

Stonehenge multiple coordinates


94 posted on 09/24/2021 6:04:19 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; BradyLS; cajungirl; ...
Yup, this is it, the Digest ping for the week! Here are the rest of the week's new topics, looks like we're getting there.

95 posted on 09/25/2021 8:51:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow. What an idea!

Thanks, SC!

I read this on FB this morning (early) so I’m excited to see it. Maybe I should have pung you.

‘Face

;o]


96 posted on 09/25/2021 9:52:45 AM PDT by Monkey Face (~~ Once you feel you are avoided by someone never disturb them again. ~~ Facebook)
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To: Monkey Face
Pinged, panged, punged. ;^)

97 posted on 09/25/2021 10:06:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you!


98 posted on 09/25/2021 10:16:18 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: SuzyQue
My pleasure.

99 posted on 09/25/2021 10:29:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

:o])


100 posted on 09/25/2021 10:34:23 AM PDT by Monkey Face (~~ Once you feel you are avoided by someone never disturb them again. ~~ Facebook)
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