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To: Jan_Sobieski

More nonsense from people intent on deceiving antivaxxers. There is Zero causation link proved and in a wider study within same health network there were far fewer incidences...1 in every 100,000. Below from the actual study...

“The true incidence of inflammatory heart disease following mRNA vaccine remains uncertain. A recent report from 40 hospitals in the same medical system and with a common electronic health record collated all cases of myopericarditis and compared to the underlying vaccination rate in the region(14), They estimated an incidence of 1 case of myocarditis in 100,000 vaccinations – and, separately, 1.8 cases of pericarditis per 100,000 vaccinations. That our data should suggest a tenfold higher incidence seems surprising.”

Get real flat eearthers...


9 posted on 09/23/2021 1:41:51 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

” There is Zero causation link proved...”

...that people who died in car accidents died from covid, yet, here we are with you and the CDC claiming everyone died from covid. No deaths from the flu or any other thing.


11 posted on 09/23/2021 1:44:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Wpin

“Get real flat eearthers...”

Good point. Why take the chance for any heart problems for a cold-like sickness where 99.7% of the population survives?!


13 posted on 09/23/2021 1:54:57 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: Wpin

Your post doesn’t match your forum page.

You seem to be intent on pushing the Biden, Pelosi, Newsom mask vaccine lockdown tyranny while at the same time claiming to be a conservative liberty loving patriot.

Which one is you?

BTW, earth only has one e.


15 posted on 09/23/2021 2:00:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: Wpin

Those that proffer the “vaccines” (they don’t match the pre-2020 definition of vaccine) have the POSITIVE burden of prove for “safe and effective”. You describe anyone who distrusts the vaccines as a “flat-earther”.

If this is truly your position, you are an idiot. Convince me I’m wrong, if you can.


30 posted on 09/23/2021 3:08:34 PM PDT by MortMan (I before E, except after C - That's wierd!)
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To: Wpin
The study looked at over 32,000 individuals who had received either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines and monitored them for heart-related conditions between June 1, 2021, and July 31, 2021.

Key difference to note is above; this is a controlled study in which everyone was specifically monitored for myocarditis for 30 days from the day they received the shot. These are the kind of studies that need to be done. The electronic records "study" you referenced is based on hospital records... they didn't look at each patient and run tests for myocarditis every day, it was only noted if discovered as part of their care. Moreover, causation is easy to prove statistically by comparing to a control group assuming sufficient sample size. I have done it for this data set and (i) the incidence of myocarditis is MUCH higher than a control group, BUT (ii) it is comparable to that seen in those who have symptomatic COVID infections, with a similar age-risk profile. Hypothesis: The myocarditis is mediated by the S-protein. Conclusion: Since everyone is gonna get this eventually, the myocarditis risk is probably not a great reason to NOT get the vaccine.

34 posted on 09/23/2021 4:02:57 PM PDT by LambSlave
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