Posted on 07/04/2021 8:30:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase
Ok, which one do you want me to try? What about there was no shoot out between CAG/ACE and the CIA? If you think there was, You provide evidence for it. What about that President Trump is unfortunately no longer President? If you, like some on this thread (female poster, check her past posts) think he is and he is (secretly) running things, then please prove it and I will be very happy. The Ashli Babbitt narrative that several of the mindless here were saying some time back - that she is a crisis actor and never died. Shameful! That is all that needs to be said regarding that conspiracy, and may she Rest In Peace and her family find rest. Servers being hacked from the Vatican? Biden and Kamala being arrested before the inauguration and sent to Gitmo? ‘Trust the plan’ about the National Guard being sent to DC to stop the inauguration, and that we ‘would see it!’ Mike Lindell saying President Trump would be back in office by XYZ date?
Which one of those, specifically, do you want me to mock!
As I said late November and through December, the crazy brigade threw away very real opportunities for President Trump’s supporters to throw their weight behind legitimate concerns about the election, and rather than focusing on sane logical arguments they went down a rabbit hole of excess stupidity. Spouting forth all sorts of conspiracy and making what should/could have been a serious attempt to show fraud become a circus act.
Which is why I unfortunately have no patience with silliness, and why I openly state Q was a Dem plant.
Now, that’s a conspiracy I can back!
If the building was safe enough to enter three times to look for pets why wouldn't it have been possible to gather and remove important and valuable items belonging to the residents? Is it because when you are looking for a hamster the building angels prevent a collapse but when you are looking for a family bible they don't?
The news very specifically reported that they made three thorough sweeps of the building looking for pets, including checking under beds.
Because letting elderly go into a dangerous environment to scrounge family photos is stupid. First responders are trained for the risk.
Animated simulation showing probable reason for the tower collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynHiWE818c&ab_channel=MikeBell
When the MSM is completely corrupt, and there are large social media entities distorting the free flow of information, and people have been quarantied and scared and lied to, you're gonna have conspiracy theories happening. People are anxious to find out what's really happening.
I agree. It’s sad, but I can see how that’s possible.
911 truthers are put on ignore.
That is the first clear explanation of the collapse. Thank you. Short, to the point, and very shareable.
The part where the pool/patio failure reaches the tower support columns is like knocking out a keystone.
Bret Weinstein made the same observation the other day on a podcast.
All of a sudden, open dialog is forbidden. It’s beyond the pale to consider the lab leak hypothesis, repurposed therapeutics, an election obviously stolen in broad daylight, a summer of burning and looting that was mostly peaceful, but 500 patriots enter the capitol and it’s an insurrection...
So there’s a lot of bad stuff going on, and the official stories keep being obvious fabrications, and people are going to start looking for answers. The thing is, you can’t tell apriori which heterodox idea is just crazy, and which will turn out to offer clues to the truth.
So, in this case, there’s the insane notion that somehow people should have been allowed to go back in to an unstable structure to look for pets and “property”. That’s ridiculous, and deserves the long FR tradition of calling it what it is. That’s valuable when the heterodox idea turns out to have some reasonable chance of being true, eg the lab leak hypothesis.
I’ve been looking at the original structural drawings, and there’s no obvious goof. But was not aware that there have been reports of missing steel. Is that local media? Do you have a link handy?
That is all too plausible. A lifelong Floridian, I saw the Miami-Dade construction boom of the 1980s on frequent visits there and as an attorney working in real estate development and then bank regulation. South Florida was newly awash in money from the drug trade, with lawyers, bankers, and businessmen busy finding ways to launder and invest the torrent of dirty cash. Real estate and construction were the venue of choice for doing so.
And yes, corruption was rampant and shoddy building practices were all too common. With liberal Democrat Miami-Dade then dominant in state politics, there was an air of lax standards and a wink and a nod toward misconduct in government and business.
I saw a civil engineer comment that said the plans were missing column caps that strengthen the connection between columns and slabs..
Thanks. This has been a hot topic of discussion around the office and on our sites under construction. Not doubting that someone could have shorted the rebar, but that’s a lot less frequent than one might think on highrise construction. It’s not that there is more inspection (there is), but with a larger project, the amount of money that would yield is such a small percentage that there just isn’t much incentive.
The available photographs do show some corrosion in the bar and accompanying spalling in the concrete (the bar swells as it rusts and breaks the concrete cover), so that probably contributed.
The current favorite theory at work is that corrosion lead to a local failure at a column cap, and a punching shear failure on the pool deck. That lead to a progressive failure on the deck, and since that deck was tied in to the tower columns, those may have been pulled out of plumb, leading to the tower failure. That’s all conjecture from looking at the video and the plans, of course.
The good news is that NIST is on site. Those guys are serious nerds, and are not fully under control of the lawyers. They’ll figure out the things that lead to the failure, and put it in a very dense report with a lot of math. For sure this will lead to improvements in the next few code cycles, hopefully this terrible tragedy won’t be repeated.
That makes the collapse due in part at least to a design defect, in addition to construction defects and a lapse in maintenance. My guess is that the city of Seaside will also be cited for failure to properly inspect the building.
Back in the 1980s during the construction boom, I spent a year living on Marco Island south of Naples. On many early mornings on the way to work, I stopped at the island's main convenience store for coffee and a donut. On weekdays, the place would be jammed with construction workers buying beer and drinking in a nearby vacant lot. More than a few began the work day getting hammered before going off to tie rebar and pour concrete, among other things.
It has been reported the Surfside building department was already under scurrility prior to the collapse. The former director has been suspended at his new job.
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