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It’s Official: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision On Hold
The War Zone ^ | December 31, 2020 | By Thomas Newdick

Posted on 01/01/2021 6:47:15 AM PST by PIF

With critical test and evaluation work still unfinished, the full-rate production decision will be left to the future Biden administration.

In a setback for the Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter program, the U.S. Department of Defense has formally decreed that a decision on full-rate production of the jet is on indefinite hold. The Milestone C decision on whether or not to ramp up the manufacture of Joint Strike Fighters had been due in or before March 2021, but has now been on hold pending completion of the final phase of operational testing of the F-35.

... more than 600 F-35s have been manufactured so far by the Joint Strike Fighter enterprise ... Ultimately, the manufacturing run of the F-35 could reach 3,200 aircraft, depending on different nations’ requirements and emerging new customers. Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) is a formal requirement before the formal launch of full-rate production

This a critical, roughly month-long testing phase was originally supposed to begin in 2017. That schedule subsequently slipped and there had been a hope that those trials would begin this month. Now, the F-35 is not likely to enter the Joint Simulation Environment until mid-to-late 2021.

The Pentagon delaying the Milestone C decision is the latest complication to afflict the F-35 program, which only completed the previous System Development and Demonstration (SDD) phase in 2018 and did so only after the Joint Program Office had deleted a number of test points in order to meet its goals. Despite this, the 10-year-long SDD effort still failed to meet the much-revised schedule.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedrive.com ...


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"Pushing out the full-rate production determination means that the Milestone C decision will fall to President-elect Joe Biden’s Administration.

"The continued failure to complete IOT&E - and in turn trigger a full-rate production decision - means that question marks will continue to hang over the viability of the jet..."

1 posted on 01/01/2021 6:47:15 AM PST by PIF
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Don’t worry. The Chicoms will continue production.


2 posted on 01/01/2021 6:51:48 AM PST by HighSierra5
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Just move production to china and biteme and the whore will approve an unlimited supply.


3 posted on 01/01/2021 6:51:51 AM PST by freedumb2003 (No matter what, resist and stop the agenda of biteme and the whore)
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To: PIF

Trump has a sharper pencil than Biden


4 posted on 01/01/2021 6:52:33 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: PIF

On one hand, it probably falls short of its requirements. On the other hand, they are stuck with it.

Modern weapons systems are sufficiently complex that they will probably only reach their potential years, if not decades, after deployment.


5 posted on 01/01/2021 6:53:09 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Guess you guys are missing the point - there are major problems with this plane; it may never go into full production. I can assure you that the Chinese would love the tech, but never place the plane in the PLAAF failing so many critical tests.


6 posted on 01/01/2021 6:55:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The leftists at The Drive have never liked the F-35. This is par for the course. Better to have obsolete platforms than expensive new ones. Unionized unelected lords and masters civil servants and welfare recipients need bigger chunks of the budget. Reductions in defense procurement could fill their need for cash.
7 posted on 01/01/2021 6:58:56 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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So what you are saying is that the services that use the F-35 actually bought a high-priced POS? Great.


8 posted on 01/01/2021 7:00:05 AM PST by cranked
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The evaluators will never accept thousands of hours in real flight ops or combat operations in place of formal testing. Back in 1991 we had a new system that participated in Operations Desert Shield/Storm. The evaluators told us that warfare was not a suitable substitute for operational testing.


9 posted on 01/01/2021 7:05:55 AM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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[I can assure you that the Chinese would love the tech, but never place the plane in the PLAAF failing so many critical tests.]


They’d love this plane for living up to original mission specs. The Chinese way is get something out quickly, then MacGyver new requirements as needed. The (peacetime) American way is to let new requirements be injected every step of the way, to the point that development slows down to a crawl, like ornaments hanging off a Christmas tree, whereupon the project is canceled, and the old platform is MacGyvered to learn new tricks that never quite match the promise of the built from scratch new platform that was scuppered. What will cure us of this malady? The likely avenue is to get kicked in the nuts through a Pearl Harbor-style attack by a peer/near-peer competitor. Then we’ll get back to the basics that had us churning out simultaneously half-assed but revolutionary and good enough new platforms the way we did during WWII at a war-winning pace.


10 posted on 01/01/2021 7:10:36 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Yeah, the Leftists - that was my great disappointment with the War Zone; the Trump-hatred is palpable in some comments blocks; and to my reading has driven away many of the regular military guys; even correcting a leftist’s historical mistake can get your comment deleted by the Admin and get you banned.

They may not like the F-35, but the criteria for full production is real and neither left nor right.

As it stands, the F-35 (even if perfected tomorrow) can only be used in uncontested air. In a peer conflict it will have to remain far behind guarding AWACS and re-fuelers. Its cannon pod destroys any stealth and is virtually useless with only 215 rounds. It can only carry a few missiles internally, none of which match the R-77M (120 mile range) or the R-37 (over 200 mile range) for BVR - the R-37 is mounted on SU-35s and SU-57s.


11 posted on 01/01/2021 7:19:04 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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[So what you are saying is that the services that use the F-35 actually bought a high-priced POS? Great.]


TheDrive.com is warmed-over trash. That’s the POS, not the F-35. We have numerous foreign customers forking out cold hard cash for this plane, and they’re not known for being shy about choosing non-American platforms if that’s what it takes to get the best bang for the buck.

Their procurement budgets are tight and getting tighter, as they have convinced themselves that their virtue has kept them sovereign, not a strong defense. They’re in no mood to buy overpriced garbage, and they certainly have the option of purchasing Swedish, French, British and even Russian hardware as alternatives. They are also able to buy the F-18 and the F-15. And yet they keep coming back to the F-35. That’s not an accident.


12 posted on 01/01/2021 7:20:24 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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My SIL is an engineer on the lift fan system (Rolls Royce) for the B variant. So it’s definitely a job creator.


13 posted on 01/01/2021 7:24:58 AM PST by nascarnation
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They’d love this plane for living up to original mission specs.

But it cannot ever meet the original specs! Which is most of the point of the test requirements. They might use the tech in some new jet, but they have mostly gotten all they need in that area. What they need is to figure out how to manufacture crystalline jet engine turbine blades.


The likely avenue is to get kicked in the nuts through a Pearl Harbor-style attack by a peer/near-peer competitor.

One that takes out the Pentagon brass where most of the problems lie. Low cost, survivable, effective are not words permitted in the planning rooms.


14 posted on 01/01/2021 7:25:46 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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[As it stands, the F-35 (even if perfected tomorrow) can only be used in uncontested air. In a peer conflict it will have to remain far behind guarding AWACS and re-fuelers. Its cannon pod destroys any stealth and is virtually useless with only 215 rounds. It can only carry a few missiles internally, none of which match the R-77M (120 mile range) or the R-37 (over 200 mile range) for BVR - the R-37 is mounted on SU-35s and SU-57s.]


I’ll trust the Japanese, Australian, Singaporean and Korean evaluators paying cold hard cash, coming to perhaps half or more of their procurement budgets, over the bureaucrats at the Pentagon. Unlike Pentagon bureaucrats, they are looking at alternative platforms from other countries and counting their pennies.


15 posted on 01/01/2021 7:26:11 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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[Low cost, survivable, effective are not words permitted in the planning rooms.]


That’s a unicorn like good, cheap and fast (pick any two). Completely unattainable without a very expensive revolutionary leap involving large cash outlays on R&D. Which is what the F-35 is all about.


16 posted on 01/01/2021 7:29:37 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: cranked

I’m not saying anything other than what the facts on the ground are

And as for buying POS, just look to the US Navy with the failed mission-less, defenseless, nonsurvivable DDG-1000, or the scraper-bound LCS ships, or the Ford Class CVN coming in at $13 billion and still not ready for deployment, relegated to a training ship until things are fixed - if ever. Of course the Navy is building more of each of these classes. Don’t even start on the US Army.


17 posted on 01/01/2021 7:32:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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after the Joint Program Office had deleted a number of test points in order to meet its goals

LOL.

Can't meet your goals?

Lower the bar!

18 posted on 01/01/2021 7:34:01 AM PST by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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[But it cannot ever meet the original specs!]


The basic question is who you’re gonna believe - Pentagon bureaucrats with no skin in the game, or defense evaluators in countries that could get overrun if the platform chosen over others currently available (e.g. Gripen, Eurofighter, Rafale, Su-35, F-15, F-18, et al) isn’t the best they can purchase on the market. Pentagon bureaucrats want the Death Star. Foreign customers want the best they can currently get. As of now - after numerous test drives involving other platforms - the choice is clear, and it’s not the runners-up.


19 posted on 01/01/2021 7:36:18 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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You were just arguing for WWII production with fast cheap and survivable, now that’s a unicorn? I’m confused.

The F-35 is all about making the many Pentagon Planners and other Perfumed Princes proud of their cutting edge toys is all - service wide.


20 posted on 01/01/2021 7:38:04 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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