Posted on 08/24/2020 6:03:00 AM PDT by tbw2
They can shut your freedom off as easily as anyone else’s
Enjoy your tech tyranny, hope your paycheck was worth it.
Did you bother to pay attention to my Target story? THE 90S. Before the web. Here’s a quick survey:
have you ever paid for anything with non-cash?
Have you ever used a coupon or responded to an offer that was sent to your address?
Have you shopped any place with surveillance cameras?
If you answer yes to ANY of those questions you have no anonymity. And we haven’t even gotten to how web tracking works and your VPN accomplishes exactly jack and #$%^.
I knew about the target story probably before you did.
Also aware of other technologies such as browser fingerprinting...
I use cash when I want to maintain privacy.
Don’t use store coupons.
Sure, probably fighting a losing battle.
BUT WITHOUT PRIVACY, FREEDOM IS IMPOSSIBLE. Is that what your celebrating?
The “Mark of the Beast” is your social credit score. Capisce?
I’m not celebrating anything. I’m explaining basic reality to you. Privacy died in the 60s. Actually privacy started dying in the 1800s, that’s when retail started keeping track of who was buying what. But until computers became a standard part of business nobody had the capacity to really run the data and use it. Once that happened the data beast became all consuming, companies started grabbing for more and more data points, because they could do more and more with them.
Privacy quite simply no longer exists in the western world. You can piss and moan all you want, but it doesn’t change reality. You’re complaining about the sun rising in the east. Sun don’t care. You generate data points every single day. None of what you do to not does more than maybe reduce them by maybe 5%.
You’re not fighting a battle, you’re spitting into the winds and insisting that’s rain. It ain’t.
Again, enjoy your tech tyranny.
You do seem blind to that fact. That the technology will be misused and you personally will be affected by it in a negative way.
Agreed
Agreed
BUMP
Anybody blind to the facts here it’s you. This data has been being gathered in some form or another for about 150 years. And none of your whining will change that. Doesn’t matter how it will be used. The data WILL be gathered. HAS been gathered for a long time. And they aren’t going to stop.
HAHAHAHA Oh man you’re hilarious. Legislation won’t do crap. They’ll just figure out how to get the data in a way that finds the loopholes. Just like the data that caused this thread. HIPAA says they can’t have people’s medical info, so they get it anonymized. No violation of HIPAA, and they get the info they want.
Remember all the info being collected is, at least on some level, necessary. When Target hooks stuff up to your credit card number they needed that credit card info (which you gave them) to get their money. And they also need your purchase history in case of returns. And your credit card company ADVERTISES how well they track your information as part of their fraud protection program.
Nope. I just have open eyes and have bothered to actually understand the situation. Something you clearly don’t want to do.
Except when they send your a “targeted ad” for a medical condition that you have and that they weren’t supposed to know about. That is a HIPPA violation right there.
Class Action lawsuits will shut down some of this abuse.
For a smart person you clearly have no wisdom.
Without Privacy their will be no Freedom. Is that concept so hard for you to grasp.
Why are you on a Pro Freedom site if you don’t believe in freedom.
Big Business/Big Tech can oppress you just as much as Big Government. Or haven’t you figured that out yet?
Ahh but they weren’t told about it. They just put it together as demographic data. That’s NOT a HIPAA violation. That’s just big data being big data.
No. They won’t.
You keep spouting that cute little catch phrase. But you still haven’t put any thought into it. Privacy has been dead for over 50 years. And it ain’t coming back. You can catch phrase til you die, nothing is changing.
Who said I don’t believe in freedom. You make the mistake of thinking because I’m point out how things are, and how they WILL remain, means I’m for it. Just because I acknowledge the sun rises in the east doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like it to rise in the west. But I know reality is reality.
Who says I haven’t figured it out? Again, you ass-u-me while strongly avoiding bother to UNDERSTAND. You’re a Simpsons joke: old man yells at clouds. You’re whining that because I’m not yelling at the clouds that must mean I hate the sun. It doesn’t. It just means I know the clouds are going to do what they want.
The EU has put in all kinds of laws about private data. All it’s done is make the companies keep it anonymized well so you can’t easily say “well this is John Adams in London”. But it hasn’t changed their collection of data. And it hasn’t changed their ability to mail John Adams targeted ads. They’re just not putting his name on the mailings.
They are weak but better than what we have.
That doesn't mean that the current situation is permanent or can't be regulated with consumer friendly laws.
You start hitting abusers with massive fines or jail time and this will alter behavior.
Laws do alter behavior and the Data Brokers can be as clever as they want, if the penalties are significant enough they will curb some of the abuse.
How much loss of privacy is OK? Should Alexa be able to listen in to your bedroom activity and send you ad's for viagra or marriage counselors? How much abuse do you think people will put up with.
Why don't you go and make your arguments public, say in front of a Congressional hearing?
Think that would fly?
I would be willing to bet 99% of people would be on my side of the argument. You are depending on people's ignorance lasting forever to maintain the status quo.
And it has accomplished NOTHING. All the data is still there. All the demographic analysis is still there. All the targeted ads still work.
Oh no. The situation is VERY permanent. As I’ve pointed out to you already. Multiple times. But you can’t be bothered to listen. This data is just too useful for businesses. They WILL collect it.
They alter behavior, but only in that they figure out how to still get what they want.
We have ZERO privacy. We have had ZERO privacy for probably longer than you’ve been alive. If you buy an Alexa you know the purpose of Alexa and you have accepted that as part of your life.
Congress, much like Google, doesn’t care what I say. But if they actually wanted me to talk I would gladly point out that all their talk about protecting privacy is hollow posturing by career politicians tied to political parties that GATHER and USE all the exact same data. And have been for a very long time.
Doesn’t matter what people think. That’s what I’ve been telling you. People have been complaining about the parts of this bother to notice for AGES. And what’s changed exactly? Oh yeah all those whiner bought cellphones.
This conversation is going nowhere, neither one of us is going to change their opinion.
But privacy advocates will never give up because we know how important an issue this is.
Educating the public and then legal changes.
You’ve been a great help on the 1st.
Thanks, have a great day.
Mine isn’t an opinion. I’m talking FACTS. You’re ignoring FACTS.
Privacy advocates are Quixotic fools. They lost this fight 150 years ago.
You’ve been “educating the public” on this for decades. And they all PAY to have LESS privacy. Laws get passed, and accomplish nothing.
You’re an idiot living in an illusion. keep on whining.
Not only are you a Jerk but your Stupid.
Most importantly I’m RIGHT. And you know it. And you’ve known it this whole time. Which is why you started in on the insults and lies. Now really, you said you were leaving. BUH BYE
You have the morality of a peeping tom!
Better not catch you outside my window!
Bye.
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