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Judge orders federal agents to keep hands off journalists at Portland protests
See BS 'News' ^ | 7/24/20

Posted on 07/24/2020 2:50:52 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: Libloather

Hi.

“None of the government’s proffered interests outweigh the public’s interest in accurate and timely information...”

If only that were true.

5.56mm


21 posted on 07/24/2020 4:57:36 AM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! Finish THE WALL!)
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To: metmom
Since when does a judge have the authority to supersede an order from the president or direct the actions of federal agents or dictate policy?

Since America finally, finally elected a president who is not in the pocket of men like Soros and Xi.

22 posted on 07/24/2020 5:01:12 AM PDT by LouAvul (Put them in fear, O Lord: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Psalms 9:20)
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To: Libloather

Define journalist...


23 posted on 07/24/2020 5:03:30 AM PDT by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA! Derps vs. Patriots, choose your side.)
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To: Libloather

You want a fire bomb or a brick thrown, a commercial-grade firework set off, give it to the local cable station “reporter”. They can’t touch him.


24 posted on 07/24/2020 5:03:33 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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To: Libloather

And i was just thinking the other day , first people arrested should be the journalist-posers. Some crowd views show about 1/3 of them with cams. playing the part.


25 posted on 07/24/2020 5:08:29 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: abb

That is true, but there are very specific rules one must follow to enjoy press privilege.

The First Amendment guarantees freedom of the press, but the Supremes have enabled limitations to be put on that speech in the form of time and place, and behavior restrictions. One form is needing a permit for a parade, usually for certain hours and places. Another form is restricting press from entering an active crime scene or disaster area, to follow lawful orders to go this way or that, and behavior that can’t be perceived as interfering with law enforcement or common decency. Violate the rules of conduct, your privilege evaporates, and you become just another rioter.

For instance, no participating - no chanting, no antagonizing cops, no getting in their faces and screaming, or screaming from the fence line, no rushing up on cops and shoving your iphone into their faces as they are making an arrest, no throwing things, no participating in vandalism, no encouraging others to do any of the above. If you do those things, you’re manufacturing sensationalism and rioting instead of reporting. Rioters aren’t press.

Also disbursing when given a lawful order - giving cops their space. It’s not how fast you want to walk it’s how fast they want you to go in front of them and how far. Maintain your distance. You can move back in closer once the main group behind you are at a distance the cops feel comfortable with. Otherwise you’re interfering and you’re not press.

If you are filming in the center of a group and run away from the scene of a crime or vandalism with them, you risk Terry Searches. That’s confiscating equipment and anything in your proximity. Go to the center for a quicky photoshoot but get back on the perimeters, and again, maintain distance. If you’re perceived as part of a threat, you’re not press.

If you want to be behind the cop line, don’t wait and yell out the question when a cop is actively chasing you down the street. Wait until a skirmish line is established, it’s calm, and then make a request. somebody will have to approve it, probably not the person you ask. If it’s local cops and they know you, you might get permission. But don’t count on it. If you insist on walking the blue line to film the cops, do it one time, not 10. Ten is harassing. (why do people do that anyway, when it can be done 10 or 20 feet away on zoom just as easily?) Harassing is not press.

On the flip side, maybe this same court order could be used as a legal foundation against the black bloc individuals that suppress and beat up reporters for ‘filming faces’ or events. That would be a very good thing.


26 posted on 07/24/2020 5:23:51 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: meyer
"Define journalist..." The left has no issue with anyone saying whatever gender they want to be on any given day.

This judge will have zero issues with anyone wanting to call themselves a journalist and long as they have a cell phone camera.

27 posted on 07/24/2020 5:28:39 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: metmom

They do this because there are no negative repercussions for making up laws as they see fit.


28 posted on 07/24/2020 5:42:05 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Libloather

That ruling, if enforced, is going to get someone killed.

Think about it.


29 posted on 07/24/2020 5:43:31 AM PDT by jimjohn (The 2nd American Civil War began shortly after 12:00 noon on January 20, 2017)
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To: blueplum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branzburg_v._Hayes
Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U.S. 665 (1972)

Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White declared that the petitioners were asking the Court “to grant newsmen a testimonial privilege that other citizens do not enjoy. This we decline to do.”

“Sooner or later, it would be necessary to define those categories of newsmen who qualified for the privilege, a questionable procedure in light of the traditional doctrine that liberty of the press is the right of the lonely pamphleteer who uses carbon paper or a mimeograph just as much as of the large metropolitan publisher who utilizes the latest photocomposition methods.”


30 posted on 07/24/2020 6:59:25 AM PDT by abb
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To: blueplum
On the flip side, maybe this same court order could be used as a legal foundation against the black bloc individuals that suppress and beat up reporters for ‘filming faces’ or events. That would be a very good thing.

How much would you bet against the order specifically stating police and federal agents are the only ones affected by the ruling?

31 posted on 07/24/2020 7:05:57 AM PDT by MortMan (Shouldn't "palindrome" read the same forward and backward?)
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To: Libloather

fine. Let em be. Bye bye, Portland.


32 posted on 07/24/2020 8:14:33 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: Libloather
In his committee questionnaire, Simon encountered questions from Republican senators about his past work as a volunteer lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

On June 21, 2011, the United States Senate confirmed Simon in a 64–35 vote.

This ClownBammy Resistance judge is a real piece of partisan Democrat work.

Ruling on an ACLU filing, when he volunteered for the ACLU.

33 posted on 07/24/2020 10:52:27 AM PDT by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: ptsal; Oldeconomybuyer
"Suzanne Bonamici"

The old Swamp trick of two different last names so the peasants don't figure out the rigged game...

Partisan Democrat POS Simon just ruled in favor of this ACLU lawsuit - even though he has volunteered for the ACLU in a previous life:

In his Senate committee questionnaire during the confirmation process, Simon encountered questions from Republican senators about his past work as a volunteer lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

34 posted on 07/24/2020 10:59:36 AM PDT by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: abb

I found the below guide to be very helpful:

Congressional Research Svc: Freedom of Speech and Press:
Exceptions to the First Amendment
(Prepared for Members and Committees of Congress, published 2014)

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/95-815.pdf


35 posted on 07/24/2020 12:32:46 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: blueplum

The Drive-bys have long wanted a reporter’s privilege ruling. But once you cross that line, there will exist a government license to publish.


36 posted on 07/24/2020 12:41:54 PM PDT by abb
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To: meyer

Anyone with a smart phone. They are called citizen journalists like Andy Ngo


37 posted on 07/24/2020 12:55:52 PM PDT by Pollard (whatever)
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