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An invisible hand: Patients aren’t being told about the AI systems advising their care
statnews.com ^ | July 15, 2020 | Rebecca Robbins and Erin Brodwin

Posted on 07/16/2020 12:15:38 PM PDT by ransomnote

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1 posted on 07/16/2020 12:15:38 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Why was Mrs Jones terminated? A: the AI system decided it was best for her to go peacefully. There is no recourse, and you cannot sue an AI system.

You’re next.


2 posted on 07/16/2020 12:18:31 PM PDT by I want the USA back (BLM is a violent marxist movement designed to overthrow the US constitutional form of government.)
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To: ransomnote
"I really need more morphine."


3 posted on 07/16/2020 12:20:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ransomnote
Your medical tem is having a consultation befor prescribing medication

4 posted on 07/16/2020 12:20:40 PM PDT by BigEdLB (BigedLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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Kill...All...Humans...


5 posted on 07/16/2020 12:21:46 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ClearCase_guy

Right. So eventually doctors will just punch in a bunch of codes and let the computer do the work. They will lose their skill and experience and no longer be able to have a hunch to try something different. If this was 30 years ago their would be an uproar.


6 posted on 07/16/2020 12:30:05 PM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: ransomnote

So they use Web MD in the clinics now? No wonder why everybody had the Covid.


7 posted on 07/16/2020 12:39:10 PM PDT by dgbrown
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Just do what the computer tells you. It’s for your own good.


8 posted on 07/16/2020 12:39:43 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: NotchJohnson

I sometimes wonder if one of my VA doctors is using such a system. She is nice enough, encourages a lot of talking from the patient, on how they feel that day, but almost never does she ever voice an opinion or come to any conclusions on what the base issue may be.

Only If I ask her directly if X is the problem, will she remark, and then, usually just to recommend making another appointment to take yet another ‘test’.
My primary VA doctors tend to be changed about once a year.
It is their system. She will be changed for another Doc in a few months. I look forward to that change.


9 posted on 07/16/2020 12:45:30 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ransomnote

So, cylons are now in charge of our health care decisions.


10 posted on 07/16/2020 12:46:33 PM PDT by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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I lived in Minnesota for ten years and found the doctors stuck on cookie cutter formulas. They could not understand anything outside the cookie cutter. Notably a man in his 50’s still in competitive cycling. It was a deviation from the standard demographic. So after getting a chest X-ray after a good competitive season, I get told that I had congestive heart failure. It was the only explanation for the size of my heart. A man over 50 was simply incapable of training over 200 miles a week.

I do not recognize any professional license issued by the State of Minnesota.


11 posted on 07/16/2020 1:04:24 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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They missed the BIG problem, what the machine is deciding is the least costly acceptable treatment for the client...the insurance company. It may not be the best or least problematic for the patient, but the outcome is best...for the insurance company.

DK


12 posted on 07/16/2020 1:08:00 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: ransomnote

Good morning. I will be administering your medication.

13 posted on 07/16/2020 1:16:54 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: ClearCase_guy

A just machine to make big decisions
Programmed by men with compassion and vision


14 posted on 07/16/2020 1:40:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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My father is 92 and is recovering from intestinal surgery. The doctor bleakly warned that my father’s sudden severe gut pain was due to colon cancer and that he would be headed to hospice after surgery. Any other possibility was discounted, a certainty no doubt endorsed by AI odds-making. Mercifully, there was no cancer and my father’s pain was due to a readily treatable hernia. He will soon be headed home within a week, to again cheer on Trump and watch American Pickers.


15 posted on 07/16/2020 1:55:25 PM PDT by Rockingham
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Fagen is good.

Also, Richard Brautigan:

I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.


16 posted on 07/16/2020 2:02:53 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Fred Hayek

My husband refers to them as “flow chart doctors”. There are some that have gotten pretty mad about it. Most don’t want to dig a little deeper to find out what is actually wrong.


17 posted on 07/16/2020 2:08:12 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: ClearCase_guy

Nice!


18 posted on 07/16/2020 2:30:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Rockingham

My father is 92 and is recovering from intestinal surgery. The doctor bleakly warned that my father’s sudden severe gut pain was due to colon cancer and that he would be headed to hospice after surgery. Any other possibility was discounted, a certainty no doubt endorsed by AI odds-making. Mercifully, there was no cancer and my father’s pain was due to a readily treatable hernia. He will soon be headed home within a week, to again cheer on Trump and watch American Pickers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still, that was quite an emotional blow to receive and then an SNL Emily LaTella version of, “Never mind.” Impacts to quality of life of the recovered! :/ But still, I’m happy he is doing well now. :D


19 posted on 07/16/2020 2:32:13 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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Your medical care decided by a government computer with algorithms designed by the likes of Dr. Death, Ezekiel Emanuel. Can anyone say Death Panels?


20 posted on 07/16/2020 3:46:20 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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