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Colorado couple accused of killing son, 11, by making him drink water: report
AP by way of Fox News ^ | June 18, 2020 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/18/2020 6:22:29 AM PDT by familyop

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To: taxcontrol

What does MOS mean?


21 posted on 06/18/2020 7:11:37 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: Fishtalk

MOS - Military Occupational Specialty


22 posted on 06/18/2020 7:15:10 AM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: Fishtalk

MOS - Military Occupation Specialty

Army speak for your job. An Infantryman is an 11B, a combat medic is a 68W, etc.

As different MOSes have different demands and different attrition rates, there are different rates of promotion. Typically, the Dept of Army will determine the number of E-5 and higher enlisted ranks are needed (call it X). From that number you subtract the number that are already in service (Y) to get the number of promotions for that MOS (Z) .... X - Y = Z

The Army then looks at it’s list of those eligible for promotion and ranks them by points. It promotes from top down till it either meets the Z requirement or runs out of eligible candidates for promotion.

This is of course an oversimplification, but it is the basic pattern.


23 posted on 06/18/2020 7:31:07 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt - Dad's wisdom)
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To: familyop

Army infantry soldiers, combat engineers, etc., are trained to drink until urine is clear. That was in a manual during the late ‘80s and early ‘90s. Forced drinking in hot weather was common, too. At times, when in initial training in temperatures over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (don’t recall the wet bulb at the time, but it was high), each man in my unit was forced to drink four quarts of hot canteen water per hour.

No, the kids mentioned in the news story weren’t in the Army, but that’s beside the point. Their father was doing was he was taught to do for the boys health, correct or incorrect. Chances are that a doctor had also told him and/or his wife to make sure that the boy drank plenty of water every day, if he had a urological problem.

Water: How much should you drink every day?
Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org/water/art-20044256

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So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine determined that an adequate daily fluid intake is:

About 15.5 cups (3.7 liters) of fluids for men
About 11.5 cups (2.7 liters) of fluids a day for women


24 posted on 06/18/2020 7:33:45 AM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: familyop

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!


25 posted on 06/18/2020 7:40:34 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Arones

I wasnt a dog faced pony soldier like you. I . sagent means a lower case NCO to me.


26 posted on 06/18/2020 7:44:21 AM PDT by Ikeon (They see me roll'n and they be hate'n. they think Im talkin dirty.)
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To: Ikeon

I guess in the army everybody is a sargent. Sargent, sargent, sargent, sargent . pretty low vocabulary count if you ask me. sargent!!


27 posted on 06/18/2020 7:48:09 AM PDT by Ikeon (They see me roll'n and they be hate'n. they think Im talkin dirty.)
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To: familyop

The father, a military man stationed at Ft Carson, should have taken his son to doctors at Evans Army Community Hospital, and not forced the kid to drink any certain amount of water.


28 posted on 06/18/2020 7:54:04 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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To: familyop

Why can’t we put these people to death?


29 posted on 06/18/2020 7:58:59 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: super7man

“This does not seem to me like a lot of water over 4 hours. His system should have been able to handle it”

Not true at all. It is not the ounces, which was about 96 ounces all together, it is the short span of time - just four hours. A daily amount for a grown man OVER 24 HOURS might be about 100 ounces. 96 ounces in just four hours, for an 11 year old, is like poisoning - the system cannot handle it.


30 posted on 06/18/2020 7:59:13 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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I wasnt a dog faced pony soldier like you. I . sagent means a lower case NCO to me.

Based on what you written so far, it's hard to believe you were ever in the military.

31 posted on 06/18/2020 8:01:42 AM PDT by Arones (When Leftists are in a minority, then they look for other ways to win.)
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To: Ikeon
I guess in the army everybody is a sargent. Sargent, sargent, sargent, sargent . pretty low vocabulary count if you ask me. sargent!!

Sergeant.

32 posted on 06/18/2020 8:02:40 AM PDT by Arones (When Leftists are in a minority, then they look for other ways to win.)
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To: super7man

He had dark urine, then perhaps something was already too far gone to handle it. I think they were trying to counter kidney problems, maybe wanted to avoid doctor. But sadly, should not have!


33 posted on 06/18/2020 8:07:49 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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Was a sergeant @ 21 and was still a sergeant when I retired @ 43... Sergeant is a title...


34 posted on 06/18/2020 8:13:12 AM PDT by dakine
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“My sons could chug 0.7 liters no problem at that age...they would be performing at their peak after drinking it...and definitely they would not die.”

It was not .7 liters. It was .7 liters times four in only four hours. That’s about what would be normal for a grown man IN 24 HOURS, about six times the length of time the kid’s system had to process the 96 ounces he was forced to drink.

If your sons drank 96 ounces in four hours I imagine they would have at least been hospitalized, not “performing at their peak”.

It is not the ounces, it is amount of ounces over what period of time. Your body needs salt, just not too much, and not too little. Water flushes salt from the system. Over a normal amount and speed of water intake too much salt is not flushed from the system. When excessive water consumption over a short time happens, an excessive amount of salt is flushed from the system, depleting the balance of electrolytes in the blood and cells in the body begin to swell (cells trying to NOT recycle fluids, just keep them, to hold onto remaining salt).


35 posted on 06/18/2020 8:15:22 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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To: familyop

Hereditary urinary problem. There you go. Wondering if it’s really water poisoning, or really because his compromised system couldn’t take it.

And the woman was stepmother, not mother. Father has a screwgie face.

Horrible all around.


36 posted on 06/18/2020 8:17:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Wuli

I didn’t see the times 4. My bad. But one is no problem.


37 posted on 06/18/2020 8:17:47 AM PDT by impimp
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To: familyop

BTW what’s up with the comment on women’s studies?


38 posted on 06/18/2020 8:18:05 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: familyop

There’s no way that much water would kill anyone. There has to be more to the story. They write the story like the parents of course are the bad guys. Always.


39 posted on 06/18/2020 8:19:04 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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“So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine determined that an adequate daily fluid intake is:” .....”About 15.5 cups (3.7 liters) of fluids for men.....”About 11.5 cups (2.7 liters) of fluids a day for women”

Those figures are for a whole day, for an adult, not for just four hours for a child. The child was forced to drink nearly a man’s daily water requirement in just four hours, one sixth of a day.


40 posted on 06/18/2020 8:20:26 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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