Posted on 06/12/2020 3:24:48 PM PDT by jroehl
Hi, my name is Jeff. This is a composite email exchange I have had recently with job recruiters, in India, for an “information technology” job at an American bank. To protect myself, I will not name the bank specifically, so I will say it was for either Bank of America, Citi Group or JPMorgan-Chase. It really does not matter anymore, this same conversation could be had for a similar job search for Walmart, BlueCrossAndBlueShield chapter of any state, any state government, Fannie Mae, TVA, your local hospital, and the list goes on and on.
I would also like to say, I have a fantastic ETL and business intelligence resume of 20+ years. Among the technologies I specialize in right now is Tableau with AWS Redshift, which is what I am being recruited for here. I have worked for the Pentagon, Bank of America, The World Bank, The Washington DC Superior Court System for many years, and numerous other government/private firms.
First email from Sameer Sharama:
Hi Jeff, hope you are doing great! I found your resume on monster.com and we thought it matched the following job description in Denver Colorado.
My reply from Jeff:
Yes, Sameer, this looks like a perfect job for me, can you submit me to this job? My resume is attached.
Second email from Sameer Sharama:
Great! You look like a very good match for this position. Are you willing to re-locate and what hourly rate are you looking for?
My reply from Jeff:
Well, Sameer, I will make this super easy for you. I am willing to re-locate, at my own expense, for any job anywhere in the world (except Syria and North Korea) and I would take this job for $30 an hour.
Third email from Sameer Sharama:
Well, that is great! And I am sure there was a mistake in your last email. But we can offer this job for between $65 and $70 an hour.
My reply from Jeff:
Well, no, I am very careful with how I communicate. And I know you may say this job is offered at the rate you have specified. But I will stick with $25 to $30 an hour. AND I can be on the job in under one week. Now that is something they could not possibly pass up. Right?
Fourth email from Sameer Sharama:
Well, we appreciate the fact that you could take the job so quickly. They are moving on this very aggressively. But we cannot submit you for this rate, it is too low.
My reply from Jeff:
Well, Sameer, I have been looking for a job for 5 months now. And I have concluded that I may soon run out of money. I have spent the last 5 months talking to an endless stream of Indian citizens who claim they would like to recruit me. And I have had about 20 job interviews in that time and almost all those job interviews were, again, with people who are citizens of India. I have been told that I am in this predicament because Indians will work for less money. So, in order to remain competitive, please submit my resume to the bank at the rate I have requested. It is better to work for much less money than to be homeless. At least I can make as much as a bus driver.
Fifth email from Sameer Sharama:
My supervisor Deepak Acharya will talk with you.
First email from Deepak Acharya:
Hello Jeff, I hope you are doing well. We need to submit you to this job at the bank before COB today. Can we submit you at $60 and hour?
My reply from Jeff:
Well, 5 years ago, that would be normal. But what a difference a few years makes! Let me ask you, for this job, is the hiring manager, the person I will be interviewing with, for this American company, a US citizen?
Second email from Deepak Acharya:
I cannot answer that question. Why would that matter?
My reply from Jeff:
Well, not a few years ago, I would almost always be recruited by an American and interviewed for the position by an American for a large American company. Now this seems to have changed and now there are almost only Indian recruiters and Indian interviewers (and I can not understand what they are saying, on the phone, MOST of the time because of their accents and they speak so fast). But I have noticed that there has been this distinct pattern. That is when I get an interview with an Indian, there is like a 100% chance that I will NOT get the job. And I am very good at spotting trends, as you know, because that is basically what my job/career is.
Third email from Deepak Acharya:
This, you have been obviously misinformed about. We make no difference between you Americans and our own countrymen. Why would you think this?
My reply from Jeff:
Well, given that my email inbox is just full of 90% Indian recruiters over the past 5 months and the 20 or so interviews I have had were almost all with Indians. And the 2 or so interviews I have had with American citizens, I found out later that their bosses were Indian, so I kind of feel like I am just “on a hamster wheel”? Do you understand what I am saying? Do they use the phrase “on a hamster wheel” in India?
Fourth email from Deepak Acharya:
We can submit you at $50 an hour before it is to late! But you will need to fill out the “skills matrix” spreadsheet attached to this email, first.
My reply from Jeff:
Well, I appreciate the confidence you have in me Deepak. But I just cannot spend an hour answering all your questions on your spreadsheet. First, because I can apply to 3 other jobs in that time. And if the hiring manager is Indian, he is not going to hire me, so it would be a complete waste of my time. So, let me ask you a question Deepak. Why do you keep sending me, a naturally born citizen of the United States of America, on a daily basis, a job opening, with a perfect job description for me, if you guys, consistently, over time, only hire your buddies from India? I have a friend who got fired from his job at a large American insurance company, by his boss from India. His Indian boss then went ahead and brought over 5 guys from his high school in Mumbai, India. He told me last time he heard, the IT department at his former employer was a disaster. But that is only gossip, as I cannot verify that, so I apologize for mentioning this. He compared it to the Indians trying to land a vehicle on the moon recently and failing. When Americans did that back in 1969, with actual human beings in it. That was over 50 years ago!
Fifth email from Deepak Acharya:
Indians are the best computer programmers in the world! And we work harder than the Americans! Maybe the reason it is taking you so long to find a job is because you tend not to put the effort in as necessary!
My reply from Jeff:
Deepak, I am not sure how you would know how much effort I have put in on past jobs. But I must say, the whole point of the H1B visa program from India was the quaint American notion that we would take the best and brightest from around the world. Let them come to America and work with us a few years and then go back, with what they learned, to teach and inspire others in their own country. That is how it was sold to most Americans. But it was twisted to just make a handful of billionaires a few more billion. And now we have thousands of very smart Americans out of work with no end in sight. So we have the distinct prospect of an American DBA or Python programming expert, sitting on an American street corner, begging for change, from an Indian citizen, driving in his new Cadillac, making $65 an hour, from the job he took from the American beggar. That is crazy, don’t you think Deepak? People in India would be outraged if this happened in their country!
So, no, I do not want to interview for this bank, because I suspect I will be illegally discriminated against. I suspect you guys need to interview a certain number of Americans, so you can say, with a straight face, that you sought American candidates for this position and by lying and saying you did not find any (which is impossible to prove), so you can hire some more of your countryman to take more American jobs. Regardless of the pay rate.
So, unless you can convince me there is some actual genuine interest here, I will have to pass on your, presumably, phony CYA job prospect.
“I suspect you guys need to interview a certain number of Americans, so you can say, with a straight face, that you sought American candidates for this position and by lying and saying you did not find any (which is impossible to prove), so you can hire some more of your countryman to take more American jobs. Regardless of the pay rate”
Precisely. They know the game and are tasked to pull in the gullible so they can play the statistics with H1-B requests.
Another reason I have nothing to do with the banks listed. You can get a better rate at any credit union then those guys, and if you have to use them, god help you.
Being an American ought to be sufficient to disqualify you. They’re giving all those jobs to foreigners. No Americans need apply.
Sounds like they wanted a submittal of a very high hourly rate so they can say that person was too expensive for the task at hand.
Very interesting.
“Indians are the best computer programmers in the world! And we work harder than the Americans!”
Lazy people hold false conclusions, because lazy people reject research. But lazy people can steal from American systems for their friends, such as IT jobs. Guess who steals all the construction jobs in downtown Los Angeles? Yes, lazy people. And contractors are upset that they cannot get enough quality construction workers. Easy: just do affirmative action for American citizens with American educations.
The next life will separate the sheep (ethical citizens) from the goats (liars and thieves.)
“I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.”
Was he lying?
For the employers... all that matters is price. If every (citizen) tech worker is on food stamps, that’s the Feds problem.
If you get an inquiry from these Dalit staffing firms, don’t respond to them.
The US staffing firms are no better. In May, I got into a squabble with a US staffing firm that wanted me to commit to relocating to KC for Sprint... during a pandemic, when I already have housing in the area. I got into an additional squabble when I added medical costs onto their rate, for a job that might not exist 60 days from now.
Maybe he’s going to run on it again.
bkmk
No, he was not. He has instituted this as a result of the Wuhan Virus devastation to our economy. In fact, he has received a great deal of heat for putting a stop to the H1-B visa program.
Mostly from Republican Senators who sent President Trump a strongly worded letter telling him not to do this.
In fact, JUST TODAY the Koch brothers sent Trump a letter telling him not to do this.
Trump’s response is he will ending the H1-B visa program.
I HOPE PRESIDENT TRUMP BECOMES AWARE THAT THIS IS THE SITUATION! It’s an anti-American RACKET!
Bank of Apathy... another favorite. In Boston, Bank of America has been looking for Mobile App Developers for a division of Merrill Lynch.
There have been rumors the Merrill Lynch division was looking for around 10 new hires.
The catch? They’ve been looking for these hires for FIVE YEARS through ML’s preferred staffing firms.
When the staffing firms fail at finding candidates, an internal B of A recruiter starts calling. I told the last recruiter I wanted a call from the hiring manager to give him a piece of my mind.
I can understand an employer looking for candidates. When those inquiries continue unabated for five years, that’s unreasonable.
That is EXACTLY what happens.
Only real interviews I’ve gotten was with Americans, only to fail the technical interview, as it’s stacked with Indians.
The H-1B regulations say that a foreigner must be paid at or higher than the prevailing rate to prevent companies from firing American employees to hire cheaper foreign workers.
So, I read this and thought they needed to submit an American at $60/hr so they could then give the job to an Indian worker for $60/hr. Next time, they'll find an American wanting $65/hr so they can give themselves a $5/hr raise.
-PJ
Why can’t the federal government look at the racial hiring statistics and on that basis alone find the employers guilty of discrimination against Americans and fine their asses into oblivion? After all they do it every day for Blacks.
Pissed me off that Cloud Imperium Games are staffing with filthy disgusting Indian H1B scum.
Got an email from a Dalit company today. CIG are hiring H1B filth now.
If you know what my Freeper name is, you know why I’m pissed.
It sounds like they are submitting state side Job candidates for 2 to 3 times the going rate so therefore they get turned down and the people in India get 1 to 2 times the rate, Half of which may go to the recruiter or agency that gets them the job
Filthy H1B Indian scum and their Indian recruiters are considered minority-owned businesses. EEOC shot down 6 complaints I filed against these companies, most operating out of Indian-based call centers
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