Posted on 04/06/2020 8:47:48 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
Whatever, not material.
Z Pack check
Zinc 50mg check
Cinchona Bark Powder (from which Quinine is made) not check still waiting for an Amazon order to ship, if it ever does.
You’re welcome. I think the fellow may be on to something.
Don’t bother with the bark:
https://www.alcademics.com/2014/08/potential-dangers-of-homemade-tonic-water.html
We can’t get to a decent therapeutic dose without the alkaloids. A safe, self-made version would be fairly less benefit than you can get with EGCG and/or Quercetin. You can get a fraction there, but even with three coffee filters, you are playing with the remaining alkaloids there with your wanted quinine.
I looked into this about two months ago.
Google tried and failed to translate that “article” into English.
LOL! You can take my brief write up and that translation.
There are some useful graphs and images in it that support my words.
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If you get the minutes to watch the video I linked, that man is giving bedside data results, and he is convinced this virus is killing people by a mechanism that is not ARDS directly. He hinted that the current method for treating ARDS with the ventilators might need crucial readjustment, pressure-wise.
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Very clever analogy as the "founder" of homeopathy in Germany was eating cinchona bark to cure malaria. Maybe a little too sophisticated for your audience here, but I give you full props. Thanks for an hour or too of exercise for the "little grey cells".
Another analogy which I would like you to comment on, we love your anecdotes, is chelation therapy (EDTA) for arteriosclerosis. It was sold, like Chloroquine, as a dramatic cure, with no clinical trials backing up the reported results but unlike homeopathics there was some lab bench work in 1955 and again in 1981 giving it credence and there was at least a plausible hypothesis of how it functions.
My doctor, William Campbell Douglass, in 1980's Marietta, GA, ran a chelation business out of his office back then. His most famous patient was Junior Samples of "HeeHaw" fame. Douglass wrote a book or pamphlet, "Chelation Works"(?) but then went on to one thing after another including "The Milk of Human Kindness is Not Pasteurized", and "The Health Benefits of Tobacco"(!) He wrote a lot of books not all of which are useless.
When Junior Samples died, in 1983, they said he had started chelation when it was too late. The laetrile clinics in Mexico said that they got their cancer patients too late. HCQ does not work if you give it too late. I believe that. But when we get the studies and then we will know.
I really enjoyed the Q&A threads thanks! BrianD
There are a lot of ideas that bear looking at but nay doctor who breathlessly blasts emails to the world sound really now better. Chelation had some theoretical underpinnings. When I scrubbed and did carotid endartectomies and other (aorta Bifems, etc.) you can really feel the plaques are “gritty”. Of course atheromatious plaques are almost pure cholesterol. But the immune system sends in macrophages to try to “clean up” and they die and become calcified so that is the source of that.
I guess the thought was circulating chelating agents would bind that calcium and reduce the plaque or something. It never IMHO was ever really well thought out. They had a chemical, they could make money, it never showed ay clinical results, some people got taken for suckers.
Another one I had more respect for came along the H. Pylori from ulcers. Once they discovered that this bug lived in stomach acid they started looking for it elsewhere ad low and behold, there were reports that it was living in the slime on your teeth. Then it was hypothesized that people were developing antibodies that were contributing to the atheromas because, surprise surprise, they were living in arteriosclerosis plaques as well. So they started antibiotic trials for cardiovascular disease. Didn’t work. But “A” for effort.
Thanks. So you can see why I am skeptical of commercialized fantastic claims.
1st sentence should end “Should really know better”. Google really like to screw with me.
MHGinTN pointed out to me your info on Zinc Picolinate
I see in your comments: “Zinc Picolinate and Quercitin (Another Zinc tunnel maker like HCQ but not as potent) and vitamin D3 as my prophylaxis.”
Would really appreciate your perspective on this study which indicates that the supplement EGCG is an even more effective “Zinc tunnel maker”.
Wouldn’t it be amazing if we Freepers could arrive at an OTC version of the HCQ + Zpak + Zinc protocol, and that it approach that efficacy?!
I’m less than an hour N of New Orleans and lost an aunt there two weeks ago. She was 80 w many pre-existig conditions, but hadn’t left her house in several weeks. She was rushed to the hospital w breathing issues put on a vent and died days later. Several days after, the test came back that she was positive for COVID-19.
My parents are both in their late 80’s & are OK living alone in their own home. They’re near us, N of N.O. but my 2 sisters and I are now even more cautious when going over there.
Like everyone, we’re trying to learn whatever we can to fight this.
I drink 2 cups of Matcha tea a day because I like it so I have been covered on EGCG for a long time.
I haven’t come across a substitute for Z-pack’s mechanism, but I do think extra sleep, EGCG, Quercetin, and Zinc will do just fine.
Watch MedCram videos on YouTube. A hot bath, followed by cold air or cooler water, greatly enhances the “innate immune system,” which is the main part of our immune system that seems to get depressed by COVID.
That doctor shows how sleep and the hot/cold event each day can help deal with the hospital refusals to not take anyone until major issues occur or the 12th day of infection. These other supplements are additional icing on the cake.
It’s strange to know empty hospitals are refusing patients with COVID until they are in a very serious situation, meaning the drugs won’t likely be given until then.
Be aware that Quercetin inhibits Vitamin C absorption...so if you’re taking HIGH Vit C doses, don’t take too much Quercetin......fwiw.....
More info here: https://caboftl.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-tips/
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Quercetin and Vitamin C don’t mix. Q inhibits the absorption of Vit C........a little from foods is OK....but 500mg will interfere....
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Thank you. I’ll take as much info as I can get. Then again, I find I’m watching less news because it leads to stress. lol.
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