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Boeing 787s must be turned off and on every 51 days to prevent 'misleading data' being shown to pilots
The Register ^ | Apr 2, 2020 | Gareth Corfield

Posted on 04/02/2020 9:41:53 AM PDT by dayglored

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To: SteveH

It wouldn’t have been to the open internet but to the company’s intra-net.


81 posted on 04/02/2020 2:19:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SteveH

PS: it’s up to maintenance to ensure of the upgrades. When we fire up the system it had better be the latest version; this is Airbus. I don’t know how Boeing does it.


82 posted on 04/02/2020 2:23:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: DEPcom

“Ok it is Linux.”

So, you only heard of Linux so everything is Linux?? VxWorks is NOT linux.


83 posted on 04/02/2020 2:25:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: dayglored

They probably want to change their batteries every once in a while, as well.


84 posted on 04/02/2020 2:39:10 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: SkyDancer

> PS: it’s up to maintenance to ensure of the upgrades. When we fire up the system it had better be the latest version; this is Airbus. I don’t know how Boeing does it.

Ah, ok. IMHO whatever it is, it needs to be secure with no access from the general internet, and there needs to be an orderly system in place so that others such as pilots and mechanics can work with some assurance about what they are working with.


85 posted on 04/02/2020 2:44:05 PM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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To: Mr Radical
> ... and I wonder what exactly is involved in “turning off and turning on” a Boeing 787. I bet it is not as simple as flicking a light-switch. If it’s a “cold-start” rather than a simple reboot, it might take 12-24 hours ... very costly downtime for the airline!

That's a really good point. I'm sure it's costly in terms of time, at least.

86 posted on 04/02/2020 2:49:41 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: Revel
> No I can’t. It has been to long. Some of the places I read have news that never hits the MSM. MY guess now is that maybe it was an internal leak...

Ok, thanks anyway, and I appreciate your thoughtful answer.

87 posted on 04/02/2020 2:52:30 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: dayglored

Agreed. Have to submit a change, maybe even go to CAB... bleh just to upgrade Cisco ios on a couple stacks.


88 posted on 04/02/2020 3:07:24 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: CodeToad
"So, you only heard of Linux so everything is Linux?? VxWorks is NOT linux."

You need to read the thread. I sorry to offend you, if you thought I was talking about VxWork.

I have never heard of VxWorks and I do not assume an embedded system that I have never heard of is Linux!

You can google Wind River and see they have a linux product for Aerospace & Defense. You have to dig deeper to find VxWorks.

Why do you hate Linux? I don't use Linux for work, I am in the Microsoft .Net world it pays more. I do use Raspberry Pi and Arduino for home projects.
89 posted on 04/02/2020 4:20:08 PM PDT by DEPcom
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To: Larry Lucido

You know why? It saves a couple of pennies per car not to use any flash memory for it. Same reason they don’t put spare fuses or fuse puller in cars anymore. Every design goes through reviews for cost not benefit.

I hated working automotive but it did teach me lots about cost trades.


90 posted on 04/02/2020 4:42:51 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Piss on China. They nuked US and Europe with a bio weapon. Payback time.)
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To: wgmalabama

Learn something new every day!


91 posted on 04/02/2020 5:31:41 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: null and void

The windows ARE pretty cool on a 787. I only hope they don’t have to open and close them on a recycling period that lines up when I’m sitting next to them at 38,000 feet


92 posted on 04/02/2020 6:57:22 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas
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To: SkyDancer

I don’t have auto-updates turned on. I would imagine any updates are done manually, with someone updating the firmware on board.


93 posted on 04/02/2020 11:00:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: SteveH

Software updates are performed on Boeing and Airbus aircraft frequently. Navigation databases are updated to the flight control computers every 30 days. This is usually accomplished with a portable computer taken on board the aircraft and connected to a data port in the cockpit. 787’s and A350’s have the ability to receive software over wifi. That data is then downloaded by a mechanic from the inbox or repository to the destination hardware. This is done in the flight deck. A mechanic has to verify that the software is the latest and then install it to the particular destination. It cannot be accomplished remotely. Boeing isn’t the only aircraft that require power to be cycled on and off routinely. Airbus 330’s and 350’s do also.


94 posted on 04/03/2020 4:36:35 AM PDT by 6AL-4V
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To: 6AL-4V

My mistake, nav databases are loaded to the flight management computers, not flight control computers. As for cycling aircraft power, 20 minutes off before restarting is typical.


95 posted on 04/03/2020 4:51:37 AM PDT by 6AL-4V
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To: 6AL-4V

> Software updates are performed on Boeing and Airbus aircraft frequently. Navigation databases are updated to the flight control computers every 30 days. This is usually accomplished with a portable computer taken on board the aircraft and connected to a data port in the cockpit. 787’s and A350’s have the ability to receive software over wifi. That data is then downloaded by a mechanic from the inbox or repository to the destination hardware. This is done in the flight deck. A mechanic has to verify that the software is the latest and then install it to the particular destination. It cannot be accomplished remotely.

I did not want to go into details because I was not certain, but thanks for filling in those details. I would imagine that what you described is very secure.


96 posted on 04/03/2020 5:25:31 PM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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To: dayglored

How many pilots keep their 787 idling 51days?


97 posted on 04/04/2020 11:39:05 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( Stop the fearmongering! Post flu statistics along side COVID-19 statistics!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
> How many pilots keep their 787 idling 51days?

It’s a big deal to completely shut down a modern aircraft and then power it all back up. And economically speaking, the airline wants that plane in the air carrying passengers as much as possible. So it’s not idling any more than necessary, and it’s not getting power cycled unless absolutely necessary.

98 posted on 04/04/2020 12:56:23 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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