Posted on 03/17/2020 7:36:54 AM PDT by daniel1212
How is the US comparable with Italy? See post here )
Aside from outliers (i.e. Wash. state deaths in certain nursing homes) is the death rate much higher or as high as for the 2017-18 flu season?
How dangerous is this for the general population?
Should the restrictions mainly be for seniors (like me)?
If the death rate is not high for most, is it actually necessary for a majority of people to be infected in order to preserve health in the long run via acquired immunity? (see article on FR here
How extensive might the long term effects of the economic shutdown and societal quarantines be, and can they actually end up costing most lives, and have detrimental effects to health?
Is it possible to have a rational discussion about these issues? Feel free to discuss and disagree, while having compassion on those who are suffering (I myself have had a mild headache and sniffles for a while, but good energy, thanks be to God.
Two trains of thought from a lot people I have talked to.
One, its political motivated.
Two, Its a manufactured virus by the Red Chinese which has the high officials spooked.
Those are the two main ones I hear.
Ping
No problem there.
I lean towards-it is political motivated by the DemocRATS. Did not hear anything, or much at all, about this until after the impeachment fail.
It’s both.
FluBro!
Flu season runs from October thru March 15. Wuhan Flu season is the next few weeks. You are saying cramming an additional flu season into the next two weeks is “nothing”. Since you have two weeks off you and have no fear you should volunteer in your local hospital. To help with the “nothing”.
The threat, if you go down all data from western countries (tossing Wuhan out)...then you look at who needs to go into hospitals and who likely dies...then you come to this messy fact that is difficult to grasp.
The people in the 6-percent group who ought to be in the hospitals are senior citizens over 65 in frail health, COPD sufferers, the pack-a-day smokers, asthma folks, anyone with a already weakened immune system (TB, HIV, diabetes, etc).
Kids don’t dies from this, and if you watch these interviews (either from Germany or Italy), Kids just describe like a light-form of flu.
So here is our problem, if the infection rate were to go up to 200,000 people in the US weekly developing this, and that 6-percent group needing real hospital care (nurses included), that means 12,000 folks who really need extra help. Toss in the fact that in seven days...another 12,000 folks will arrive, and seven days after that another 12,000 will arrive. The higher the infection rate, the more untrustworthy the care will be.
Another six-to-eight percent of us will have a rough time (a full 10 days of harsh flu-like symptoms) but if we are under 65 and without secondary health issues....we can do well at the house, with a little help from friends, neighbors, or family members. And the rest will just call it a light-bout of flu.
It’s not the end of the world for the bulk of us, but for a small limited number....the risk is significant.
I keep thinking what would have happened and how we would have reacted if corona virus would have went pandemic in 1950. Or whenever we couldn’t tell this from the actual flu virus. Would it have been looked at as simply a really bad late flu season or what.
Freegards
Good post!
Meanwhile, bathtubs continue to go on their silent rampage, killing and killing and killing, year after year.
Actually flu vaccines have greatly varied in their effectiveness
. In the past 10 years, the most effective vaccine was in 2010-11 when it was 60% effective. The least effective was the vaccine from 2014-15 when it was estimated to be only 19% effective...The CDC says the vaccine can help reduce the severity of the flu once you get it. - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-how-effective-is-the-flu-vaccine/507-877d77c9-d405-49ac-a6cf-875000114367
And as for the Coronavirus, tests on vaccine are ongoing as we speak, yet i think there are different strains.
Oh the evil hoaxes the media, frantic citizens and the government spin.
Ha ha. And ladders.
I see no substantiation for that conspiracy hypothesis, although it makes sense that China would attack the economy in working to prevent the reelection of PDJT, while strengthening our dependence upon China who can recover more quickly.
Comparatively speaking then, what would the death toll be if there was not a "good" vaccine for the flu? Just think how many in the US would have died above these numbers listed.
Actually the 2018-2019 flu season began in November, peaked in mid-February and trailed off in April, while a hospital would not want me working there in my condition with some sniffles and slight headache (maybe fever). But I have often helped neighbors - which is how I got this.
The flu and COVID-19 started about the same time and each started in a single place, yet, the flu has spread and killed far more than the dramabug.
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