Posted on 03/03/2020 2:09:02 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Victor, of course; after all,he is an HERO anti-Nazi fighter, she was married to him, but thought him dead, when she first met Rick, but when she learned that he is still alive, fled,met him, and they’re still married. That’s “LOVE”; Rick was a “rebound fling” of a sort, when they were in Paris.
I’m not saying I completely disagree with you but:
1) How could she not be squishy? It’s a love triangle, for crying out loud. She loved both men at different times and for different reasons. The reasons play out during the movie, with the result that they almost tear her apart.
2) The lines of the movie are fantastic! What economy of words! It is writing hardly matched, today. The characters are defined with little action and mostly dialogue.
3) It is a simple story, a love triangle set against the backdrop of coming war. It isn’t “Gone with the Wind”, and that’s a good thing.
I may have seen it as many times as you, and still enjoy it.
But, my opinion may not be worth much, as I also enjoy the silly movie from which your screen-name is derived ;)
She loved Rick, but knew she had a duties a wife to Laslo and as a patriot to support him and not give him 2ndary issues/distractions. She told Rick to think for them both because she couldn’t decide due to a] being to weak, b] too cowardly, or c] actually didn’t know what to do given the conflict between love and duty.
I like to think C, but figure more likely A because she was so exhausted from the constant running.
Laslo to me was a guy who knew his wife had cheated and used her to his advantage. Yes he did difficult work and had come through a lot, but he wasn’t above using people...for him the cause was the ONLY thing. Everything else - feelings, people were just a means or a tool. A true politician - though a patriot.
Rick was the real hero. He cold have had the girl and love, but knew it was her duty to support Laslo; and it was his duty to rejoin the fight and taking her with him wasn’t going to work and that she’d been through too much already.
We’re missing one thing. Bogart showed us best how a man with a broken heart feels. His only true friend was Sam. Left him behind.
“I’d love to see a “sequel”, either as a book or film, on what happened to Victor,Lund and Rick.”
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Nope. Even setting aside that you really couldn’t replace the amazing actors who made the roles iconic classics, some stories are just meant to have an end. The same with most the classics - you get the one shot at perfection and hit it. Anything that tries to come after it just isn’t the same.
Well yes you are correct, but now I can’t get writing the sequel out of my head. I probably would do no worse than most Hollywood sequels. I see Ilsa and Rick in an armored vehicle in the North African desert some months later with Katherine Hepburn on the outside banging to get in.
They both die in the war, and she went on with life with some Rich dude in New York and never thought about either of them again.
Yes and no. Yes, he knew she loved Rick. But what advantage did he take of that situation?
Was he lying when he told Rick to take the letters and get Isla safely to Lisbon?
I thought Lazlo was very gracious in overlooking her love for Rick. "No one was to blame".
Well, I have it on good authority that she was in mad love with Mr. Jewbacca, Sr., but it was not to be.
My father provided security for Ms. Bergman for some sort of promotional event in Israel, many decades ago. Spent several weeks with her. He called her his “shiksa crush”.
My dad said she was the second most beautiful woman in the world, second only to my mother.
She could also fire a rifle well, which greatly impressed him.
And she really did despise the Nazis, and loved Israel.
She was as bad as Rick...maybe worse, for he ended his role doing the right thing for her, not that thing that he wanted and could have had. She wanted it both ways: security and consistency AND a wild plaything. She was the more selfish of the two....
NAW, Ingrid Bergman, she’s INNOCENT!
The letters of transit were just the MacGuffin for that movie.
LOL...I see that both of us wrote almost identical posts; except for the ending.
The reason there is so much tension about this in the movie is that they were literally filming scenes the day after script was written. The actors didn't know who she was going to end up with so she was in love with the guy she was with in each scene.
Isla was a loose women : )
Obviously, we are fellow sages.
Bunch of commies, all.
Rick fought with the murdering commies in Spain, Victor with the opponents of the Protectorate. Ilsa, of course, is the Marxist wife who isn’t bound by bourgeois morality.
The feelings she had toward Victor were awe and deep respect for a great man, which she said she thought was love. But she was IN love with Rick.
In the end, that love was sacrificed for the greater good of the world...
Obviously! :-)
One point about this movie that is lost on viewers of today is this:
It was filmed before Pearl Harbor but came out shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack. Rick is the only character in the movie who is American (I guess Sam is, but he’s a minor character). The metaphor in this is that Rick represents America. He is jaded by world events and wants nothing to do with the coming European catastrophe. He slowly changes over the course of the movie as people tug at his past working in the Spanish revolution and how he did care once. In the end he changes and gets back in the fight. It’s a call to America to get off the sideline and get into the fight.
She wanted whoever would be the most utility to her.
Red Pill Rick saw her for what she was and said go and monkeybranch over to Victor.
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