Posted on 12/16/2019 2:44:00 AM PST by Windflier
That is 180 degrees off from my experience. Scientists are busy in the lab, testing and discovering new things. We're a pretty inventive lot.
Indeed, but don't bother egyptologists with any of these facts and logic. Their minds were made up more than a century ago.
Probably and apparently not for much longer.
Right you are.
The teeter-totter technique used for a 10 ton block would also work for a 700 ton block.
A crane. Take a look at the Newport News shipyard.
“no one in the modern era has been able to duplicate such feats of engineering”
I’m mostly satisfied with their examples of how they did it.
Like the great Pyramids...stones rolled on logs and so on.
“800 tons apiece” in some cases the stone was level or below the surface and carved out where it lay.
Otherwise, one can move massive stones using basic leverage and pulleys...like i said, rolling on logs.
I can move a stone the weighs as much as myself using a tow bar and a rock. If i had 1,000 of me i could move 1,000 times< or more, my weight.
I do not entirely dismiss that super beings may have been here once upon a time...its as good, probably better, explanation that we elvolved from ooze or apes or whatnot.
“our modern technology”
I think applying modern technology to long since lost or forgotten technology is a mistake. I hooked up a phone from the 1950’s ad it was in many ways far superior to modern day cell phones...the sound quality was amazing. NOt to mention the phone weighed about 10 lbs?. It’s not that the technology is lost..so much as it’s been ignored? People believe that the now in every instance is superior to anything from say, 50 years agao.
And it simply is not true.
Cheap crappy versions of items past are throw aways compare to my metal phone from the 50’s.
Likewise, it is quite possible to ignore “modern technology”
and opt to live a basic lifestyle..off grid ..basic tools (primitive) and be quite happy.
Or, as i prefer to live a combo of both modern and primitive.
How did they validate the 20 year claim?
They had access to lots of water and sand. Attach buoyancy to a block and the flood the place.
I watched a show sometime back where that very solution was suggested to the man who engineered and built the Atlanta airport.
He explained the basic mathematical dynamics involved (leverage, reach, balance, weight, etc), and stated that we couldn't duplicate the Great Pyramid with the largest cranes we now possess.
The same program related the story of a Japanese consortium that set out to prove the standard theory of pyramid building, by erecting a 1/20th scale model of the Great Pyramid using the same materials and methods allegedly used by the ancients.
I guess you've already guessed that they failed completely. In the end, they were forced to abandon the project because the accepted techniques of the ancients were completely insufficient to the task. Even worse, they succumbed to using modern tools and equipment and still couldn't accomplish the job.
The teeter-totter technique used for a 10 ton block would also work for a 700 ton block.
I'm familiar with that proposal. On its face it sort of sounds logical, but no one's proved it in the real world.
First of all, the Great Pyramid is over 400 feet tall, which means you'd first have to build a circular dam at least that high to contain the entire perimeter of the site, then a ramp of less than a 10% grade to drag the stones to the top.
That alone would be a greater feat than building the pyramid itself.
If we HAD to build a pyramid, we could. It is that simple. If we needed a bigger crane, we could build it. It is that simple. We don’t have any stinking leaders who insist on that sort of rubbish these days, so we haven’t tooled up for it.
If we wanted to build a stupid pyramid, we could.
That goes without saying, but that's not the point of the conversation, which is -- how did the ancients build something that we don't have the tools to build in the 21st century?
To make my point even clearer, let's roll the clock back a mere two centuries and ask the question again. Could the people of 1819 have duplicated the Great Pyramid? How about the people of the 1600s? We're only talking the blink of an eye in time, compared to 2550 BC, which is 4,570 years ago.
Surely, the Pilgrims and their contemporaries possessed greater knowledge of the material and building sciences than the people of pharaonic times. So what do you think? Could the people of that era have built an exact replica of the Great Pyramid if they'd had a mind to? I highly doubt it.
Ultimately, it beggars belief that the ancients possessed anywhere near the technological prowess required to construct that monument. Going by the evidence alone, it's not possible to prove that they did. To this day, it has only been surmised that they could, and unfortunately, is now taken as an article of faith amongst egyptologists and the world at large that they did.
My point of view keeps slipping into the wrong channel. You do seem to remain spot on.
I appreciate the olive branch, but I really do try to constrain my arguments to the analytical. It's not my intention to 'prove' anyone wrong.
My aim in posting the link was to highlight the many thousands of anomalous archeological artifacts that have been discovered over the centuries. It's a subject that very much intrigues me.
Even if you can't watch the whole video, I highly recommend listening to at least ten minutes or so. It's really fascinating stuff, and George Gordon has a down to earth presentation that is a joy to listen to.
Thanks for the vigorous debate!
It really isn't a stretch from that point to adopt the notion that the Egyptians didn't build them after all, or at least not the ones we celebrate.
It really isn't a stretch from that point to adopt the notion that the Egyptians didn't build them after all, or at least not the ones we celebrate.
The above is exactly my viewpoint on the matter.
Applying simple logic to the existing hard evidence has led me to the inescapable conclusion that, someone other than the dynastic Egyptians built the megalithic monuments in that country.
Likewise with the megalithic structures of Central America, Japan, New Zealand, Mexico, Easter Island, India, and many other places.
Westerners have been puzzling over the origin of these monuments since they first encountered them centuries ago. When they asked the local populations about the origins of those structures, they were consistently told, "They were built by the gods."
One of the earliest examples of that, is of an incident related by the Greek philosopher Solon (forebear of Plato), who asked the Egyptian priests about the origins of that country's great monuments. When asked, the priests gave him the same answer as was given to the Spanish conquistadors, centuries later.
Weirdly, westerners seem to have consistently rejected those testimonies from the people who should know best. Westerners are still rejecting that explanation to this very day. We're now locked into a hardened view that all such structures MUST have been built by the ancient civilizations we're aware of -- arrogantly dismissing the possibility that we could be unaware of advanced civilizations that preceded the ancient cultures that we're familiar with.
Graham Hancock's theory that an advanced, lost civilization, was wiped out by a worldwide cataclysm, makes the most sense. In my view, his theory will one day become the dominant, mainstream view of this enigma.
The artifacts that are the most perplexing to me are the ones found in coal. Those would have to predate the Egyptians by eons. You are right, most people just refuse to consider all of the wondrous enigmas. Our Earth keeps springing some surprises on us, some of which tip our conclusions regarding our origins on end. It is easier to ignore them it seems.
I think I ponder this stuff too much. I used to live and breathe such things, including UFO lore. Then it began to frustrate me to be forever held in some weird never-to-know state of curiosity. I can actually taste this stuff, but had to push it all to the back burner just to live in the here and now. A venture into the unknown from time to time is good for my soul. You would probably take me for a loon if you got me started on the apparent spiritual aspects of UFO related lore. My best guess is that it is all related.
My favorite thing used to be getting the clergy to discuss Genesis 6:1 with me. That chunk of Scripture plays into our current subject quite handily.
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