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The First Glimpse into Horowitz’s FISA-Abuse Report
National Review ^ | November 23,2019 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 11/23/2019 10:24:09 AM PST by Jayster

CNN reports that an FBI attorney tampered with documents related to the Carter Page application. How much does it matter? Is this the tip of a scandalous iceberg? Or is it a signal that Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s much anticipated report on investigative irregularities in the Trump-Russia probe will be much ado about nothing much?

A low-ranking FBI lawyer altered a document that was somehow related to the Obama Justice Department’s application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) for a national-security surveillance warrant. The application, approved by the FISC in October 2016, targeted former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page — an American citizen, former naval intelligence officer, and apparent FBI cooperating witness — as a clandestine agent of Russia. Apparently, the document tampering made at least one of the application’s factual assertions seem more damning than it actually was.

The FBI attorney, who has not been identified, is also said to have falsified an email in an effort to provide back-up support for the fabricated claim. The lawyer, who was reportedly pushed out of the Bureau when the tampering incident came to light, was interviewed in Horowitz’s inquiry and is said to be a subject of the related criminal investigation being conducted by Connecticut U.S. attorney John Durham.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 201610; attny2; attorney2; carterpage; clinesmith; fbi; fisa; fisc; horowitz; kevinclinesmith; peterstrzok; strzok; stu; stuartevans
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To: DarthVader
Oops. Sorry. I didn't read your comments as carefully as I should have.

I did bookmark the thread however. I plan to return next month and have a little fun here.

Thank you for your comment.

41 posted on 11/23/2019 11:27:37 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: pnut22
Could someone explain the Italy connection to this investigation?

Off the top of my head, an FBI agent attached to the State Department in Rome travelled to to UK to facilitate Crossfire Hurricane, the fake Russian collusion hoax.

The names and particulars are out there, if you're willing to travel to the forbidden thread.


42 posted on 11/23/2019 11:33:15 AM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: SamAdams76

Your welcome!! It takes one critical thinker to see and know another one! :-) You picked up all the key deltas, analyzed them and then compared them to the past history. Since I work in very high tech kind of environment for all of my career I readily recognize the thought process. Only very skilled, experienced and educated people do that which you obviously are. We will definitely be having some serious fun around here in a month or so.


43 posted on 11/23/2019 11:35:34 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Jayster

FAKE NEWS. CNN just wants to be ‘first’. Everyone claims all kinds of stupid crap trying to be the one who said something first.


44 posted on 11/23/2019 11:37:21 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Jayster

Bookmark


45 posted on 11/23/2019 11:42:57 AM PST by COUNTrecount ("I've always won, and I'm going to continue to win. And that's the way it is." -- Donald Trump)
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To: Jayster
"The FBI attorney, who has not been identified, is also said to have falsified an email in an effort to provide back-up support for the fabricated claim."

This in itself is very important. In addition to being a felony, it would make such a falsifier vulnerable to a civil lawsuit.

46 posted on 11/23/2019 11:48:51 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: SamAdams76

“ Agreed. This is a classic case of “those who know aren’t talking.””

Send him to.Club Gitmo for interrogation.


47 posted on 11/23/2019 11:53:49 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (When you think about what the left is doing to America, think no further than Cloward-Piven)
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To: JonPreston

This crap published by the MSM is designed to break our morale. The Democrats are going to impeach despite producing no evidence. They want us to have the attitude of “nothing is going to happen.” And many of us here buy into this. Reagan taught us to fight back and Trump reinforced it.


48 posted on 11/23/2019 12:01:35 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (When you think about what the left is doing to America, think no further than Cloward-Piven)
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To: Jayster
Getting the ‘downplay spin’ out there........already?

Is this a sign that is actually about to come out?

49 posted on 11/23/2019 12:02:31 PM PST by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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To: SamAdams76
None of the prior IG reports had this kind of build-up. <<<-—

and none of them were given a chance or order to “re-do”...
If you remember...the Horowitz report was finished along time ago.....
I think Bill Barr looked at it and told Horowitz......I'll give you one more chance to investigate it the way you were suposed to do it....OR you can submit this white-washed piece of garbage and become the Laughing Stock of IG’s....You decide!....

Hence the long delay.....

50 posted on 11/23/2019 12:08:13 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: SamAdams76
The people at the Home who think they’re Napoleon are happy and bubbly too. At no time in my 70 years on this 🌏 planet have bureaucrats turned on other bureaucrats. They’re in the Club and we aren’t. So despite this reality vote for Trump.
51 posted on 11/23/2019 12:59:56 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: DarthVader
No one has had a first glimpse into this.

How can you say that? Is it from ignorance or from stupidity?

'Unusual restrictions' spook witnesses in DOJ inspector general investigation into alleged FISA abuses
Inspector General Michael Horowitz has invited witnesses and their lawyers to review relevant portions of a draft report, allowing them the opportunity to offer input and objections.

Witnesses?!

The Washington Post report also said witnesses were being asked to view these sections of the document, which is marked "Top Secret," in a secure area, must sign nondisclosure agreements, and have been told they are not allowed to remove any notes they make about the report.

It has been seen. That's why the leaks have started.

Damage control and control the narrative.

The people reviewing the report could be name dropping to divert attention away from themselves.

(also a means of controlling the narrative...only low level people are named)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/22/andrew_mccabe_on_doj_ig_findings_ive_agreed_not_to_speak_about_it_in_any_way_until_the_process_is_over.html?jwsource=cl

Note mention of NDA. He had access to secret/classified parts.

52 posted on 11/23/2019 1:38:24 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SamAdams76
Agreed. This is a classic case of "those who know aren't talking."

See reply 52.

Some who know can't talk because of an NDA!

How can people be so ignorant (uninformed) in this day and age?

53 posted on 11/23/2019 1:40:52 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: White MAGA Man
Correct.
He is NOT correct. See reply 52. People ARE seeing the report.

The IG FISA Abuse Report is over 500 pages and there’s no way one low FBI worker is the only one with criminal referrals.

Who is saying that what you're saying is the case?

54 posted on 11/23/2019 1:43:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

The classified sections have not been seen. Do you think you see and know everything based on the media? Washington Post RCP, and Wash Examiner all Deep State propaganda. $h%t me easy. Have you not thought that parts have been released to catch leakers to catch them/others too? The parts that really hurts they have not seen yet.


55 posted on 11/23/2019 1:44:34 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: philman_36

Do you think you know alot because you read forums? There is lots you don’t see and don’t know unless you are in the swamp.


56 posted on 11/23/2019 1:47:31 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: bigbob; DarthVader
Only those who are involved in Principal Review have seen the report, and they only get to see the section that pertains to them, only in a SCIF, and only after signing a non-disclosure agreement.

Partly correct. See reply 52. Any "Top Secret" related components are viewed in the SCIF and have the NDA attached.

The reviewers could see the name of someone else in the section that pertains to them and THAT is how this got out. Directing attention away from them onto this low level flunky.

Low level flunky reported that big dog boss told him to...
Get my drift? Big dog boss gets to read it and can disclose to the MSM the non Top Secret portion without violating the NDA.

57 posted on 11/23/2019 1:51:02 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: genghis
Comey mccabe et al have copies...
Got link?

...none seem worried
Got video?

58 posted on 11/23/2019 1:53:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Brother you are out of your element here. You don’t see deep enough and its not your fault because of where you are positioned to see things.


59 posted on 11/23/2019 1:55:14 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader
The classified sections have not been seen.

BS! Look at the McCabe interview at the link in reply 52!

Fredo mentioned his NDA SPECIFICALLY!
McCabe had to have told him pre-interview that he couldn't talk about things because of the NDA.
The NDA applies only to the Top Secret portions they view.

Have you not thought that parts have been released to catch leakers to catch them/others too?
BS! They are allowed to review it so they and their lawyer can counter/contest what is in the report, plain and simple.
Have you not thought that the people reviewing the Top Secret portions that apply to them know that they would be prosecuted if they leaked material pertaining to themselves or others?

Don't spout stupid shit and then try and lecture me.

The parts that really hurts they have not seen yet.
How in the hell can you say that? McCabe's silence disproves your assertion.
And who is "they"?

60 posted on 11/23/2019 2:11:40 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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