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To: redshawk

When your kids are raised in rat controlled schools and by parents too busy with their phones than their children and when God is ripped away from the family unit, you end up with ill mannered, lazy, imbeciles too stupid to think independently.


This is a very broad brush you are using to paint everyone.

Is it your point that all of this just sort of began in past 20 years (since cell phones became popular)?

“Hazing” has been part of almost all organizations since, well since organizations have been formed. It is an initiation process into the BROTHERHOOD or SISTERHOOD on the group.

The “newbie” in any group is “tested” or hazed. One reason for this is that it is a quick test on the character of an individual. How an individual reacts can tell you a lot about their character. A second reason is it is a way to separate the members of the group from everyone else.

Policeman, fireman, construction workers, Boy Scouts, office workers, fraternal organizations, the military (you don’t want to know what a “cherry” paratrooper deals with on their first assignment) all have their own form of initiation (hazing).

It is something that bonds an individual to the group. All members of the group had to pass the same initiation process.

Usually the initiation is harmless fun but there is always the potential for things to get out of hand.

The solution is having strong and effective leadership with guidelines (either formal or informal and most are informal) on what is and what is not permissible and suitable punishment if exceeded.

I would submit “hazing” is part of our group mentality and you will not get rid of it by eliminating all groups.

The university overreacted but no one ever claimed university administrators had any common sense.


5 posted on 10/05/2019 4:38:40 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

hazing is nothing but a power play.
Only someone that will follow group think will allow someone to haze them.


9 posted on 10/05/2019 5:44:15 AM PDT by jimfr
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To: CIB-173RDABN

“The “newbie” in any group is “tested” or hazed.”

When my dad pledged a fraternity back in 1940-something, it was demanded he paint the frat initials on a certain bull in a pasture. The farmer was ok with it, and the bull didn’t mind, but the pledges didn’t know that. Good, clean fun. A friend told me of frat initiation in the ‘70s and said it was borderline homosexual. How does one get from one end of that spectrum to the other?


12 posted on 10/05/2019 5:53:19 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I was an Army officer and never got hazed; your comment shows how incredibly wrong people are. Being mistreated does not result in a show of character or brotherhood. What utter nonsense.


14 posted on 10/05/2019 6:06:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
The solution is having strong and effective leadership with guidelines (either formal or informal and most are informal) on what is and what is not permissible and suitable punishment if exceeded.

Collin Wiant was a freshman who died after a two month long hazing at Ohio University last year. The school expelled the Sigma Pi fraternity and updated the student code's no hazing policy. Wiant died due to nitrous oxide poisoning and had antidepressants and cocaine in his system when he died. Colleges really don't like making the news for that.

Now the school has reports that half the fraternities are ignoring the anti-hazing policy. The Dean responded by suspending all fraternities. To me it sounds like there are ongoing problems and the school administration has simply had enough.

18 posted on 10/05/2019 6:34:32 AM PDT by Widget Jr
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